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Why do we still have so many apostrophes in English?

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Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:35

It takes so much longer to type anything on the phone.

Apostrophe's were originally in place to show two words shortened into one. But the shortened versions of the words have been in the English langauge for so long now, why do we need the apostrophes.

The word 'Dont' for example, is easily understandable, without an apostrophe.

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Lancrelady80 · 27/06/2025 20:56

People are pointing out that your grammar and punctuation appear to be poor, which rather undermines your argument as it seems that you want rid of punctuation because you can't use it properly.

Focusing on "im" for a moment - phonics immediately rules this out as an alternative for I'm, as does the fact that the personal pronoun "I" is always capitalised. This makes it clear that we are using the long "igh" instead of the short "i" sound. Removing the capital letter would really screw up kids learning to read and write simple vowel-consonant words. Also, it looks awful and hurts my eyes!

Whilst I agree predictive text/auto type "corrections" are a pain in the backside, that's an argument to improve those, not to totally change the English language! (Or for people to not be lazy when typing. It's not the 90s where you're limited to a certain number of characters in a text. They extend now!)

People have given you multiple explanations as to why punctuation matters, you just don't want to listen. You asked AIBU - the answer is loud and clear.

Pp - qest, qestion etc...just no!!!! They hurt my eyes almost as much as "im."

Edited, ironically, for a grammatical mistake. Also due to stupid predictive text "correcting" my punctuation.

BaronessBomburst · 27/06/2025 20:57

sparklychair · 27/06/2025 20:12

You'd better not read any Victorian novels, OP. Sometimes there is more than one apostrophe in a word, and I am pretty certain I have seen 3.
Nb. The Dutch use lots of apostrophes, IIRC.

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I came on to say this. I think that Dutch uses more apostrophes than English.
They are used to indicate possession, to join two words to form a contraction, to make a plural of a foreign/ borrowed word, and even worse, sometimes words start with them.
Eg. 's ochtends - belonging to mornings.

TalkToTheHand123 · 27/06/2025 20:58

😂ov a'll the thing's to moan. about

CautiousLurker01 · 27/06/2025 20:59

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:56

Yes I'm talking specifically about the apostrophe that shortens two words into one.

The apostrophe has never been used to show two words shorted into one - it conveys there is a missing letter.

E.g. did not => didn’t [ie the ‘o’ is missing]

In the possessive form it ALSO indicates that a letter is missing. The possessive in old English was conveyed by added ‘es’ to a noun.

So “Johnes hat” would mean the hat belonging to John, now abbreviated to “John’s hat”. So yes, languages evolve and this is how English has evolved. You need to get over it and stop trying to dictate to English speakers how their language should function.

amicisimma · 27/06/2025 21:00

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 20:04

I completely disagree.

My friend is dyslexic for a start, she doesn't have great use of grammar, yet she is highly intelligent.

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Having been brought with a lot of family members with dyslexia, it was always drummed into me that I must be very careful with S&G so that I didn't make life any more difficult for them.

So I would say that if you care about people with dyslexia, you will be extra careful to eradicate S&G mistakes, including proofreading very carefully before posting.

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:02

Lancrelady80 · 27/06/2025 20:56

People are pointing out that your grammar and punctuation appear to be poor, which rather undermines your argument as it seems that you want rid of punctuation because you can't use it properly.

Focusing on "im" for a moment - phonics immediately rules this out as an alternative for I'm, as does the fact that the personal pronoun "I" is always capitalised. This makes it clear that we are using the long "igh" instead of the short "i" sound. Removing the capital letter would really screw up kids learning to read and write simple vowel-consonant words. Also, it looks awful and hurts my eyes!

Whilst I agree predictive text/auto type "corrections" are a pain in the backside, that's an argument to improve those, not to totally change the English language! (Or for people to not be lazy when typing. It's not the 90s where you're limited to a certain number of characters in a text. They extend now!)

People have given you multiple explanations as to why punctuation matters, you just don't want to listen. You asked AIBU - the answer is loud and clear.

Pp - qest, qestion etc...just no!!!! They hurt my eyes almost as much as "im."

Edited, ironically, for a grammatical mistake. Also due to stupid predictive text "correcting" my punctuation.

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I have also 'pointed out' to other posters that their grammar and punctuation is also poor.

I think it is ridiculous to expect people's grammar and punctuation to be perfect on a mobile phone. The letter keys on phones are tiny for a start and fingers can slip when typing.

I see that you've realised that, as you have also made a grammar mistake.

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Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:03

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User79853257976 · 27/06/2025 21:03

Sometimes they change the whole meaning of the sentence.

proximalhumerous · 27/06/2025 21:05

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:50

On mumsnet? If you don't write perfect English on mumsnet, you will be jumped on.

I wrote a post on mumset once without apostrophes, as I was fed up of using them.

I got about ten posts from people complaining about my lack of use of apostrophes.

Well I counted at least five errors in your OP and no-one jumped on you.

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:07

proximalhumerous · 27/06/2025 21:05

Well I counted at least five errors in your OP and no-one jumped on you.

Really ? Really?

Did you read the thread pet.

It's full of people who have "jumped" on me.

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scalt · 27/06/2025 21:07

Poor Lynne Truss; seeing incorrect apostrophe use, and having a name similar to Liz Truss.

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:08

I find it bizarre when people don't read the thread, and then boldly say something that is completely incorrect.

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TidyDuck · 27/06/2025 21:09

Just because grammar can be hard why lower the standard?

grumpygrape · 27/06/2025 21:10

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:02

I have also 'pointed out' to other posters that their grammar and punctuation is also poor.

I think it is ridiculous to expect people's grammar and punctuation to be perfect on a mobile phone. The letter keys on phones are tiny for a start and fingers can slip when typing.

I see that you've realised that, as you have also made a grammar mistake.

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It may be a truism but ‘a bad workman blames his tools’.

If you can’t handle a mobile phone maybe it’s time to use another tool.

Kirova · 27/06/2025 21:10

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:07

Really ? Really?

Did you read the thread pet.

It's full of people who have "jumped" on me.

If that's a question, it needs a question mark.

alexdgr8 · 27/06/2025 21:11

Because there is a Society of dedicated volunteers who find lost and missing apostrophes wandering about the countryside. They take them in and build them up at their own cost and some derision from the uncouth until they have enough breeding stock and then release them.
This is why they have not died out.

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:12

grumpygrape · 27/06/2025 21:10

It may be a truism but ‘a bad workman blames his tools’.

If you can’t handle a mobile phone maybe it’s time to use another tool.

Are you going to say that to the other poster who made a grammar mistake on her phone then?

Your behaviour in picking up grammar mistakes should be consistent.

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Springtimehere · 27/06/2025 21:12

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Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:14

Kirova · 27/06/2025 21:10

If that's a question, it needs a question mark.

No because I don't care. I am on a mobile phone and I never said that I wanted to use perfect English.

You don't control me Kirova.

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PatienceOfEngels · 27/06/2025 21:14

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:47

How come we use more than other languages do?

Some languages use them for different things than we do and more things than we do!

In Dutch they are used for plurals where the singular ends in a vowel (e.g. photos is spelt foto's). They also use omissive and possessive apostrophes like English.

Other languages also make use of accents, the umlaut, circumflex etc. They're not there for shits and giggles - they guide meaning or pronunciation or both!

Steelworks · 27/06/2025 21:14

murasaki · 27/06/2025 20:22

I'll probably die on the hill that is people using 'less' when it should be 'fewer'.

DP does it to wind me up and will probably have it engraved on my tombstone.

My son taught me the difference between less and fewer.

if you can count it, it’s fewer. If you can’t it’s less.

ie. There were fewer boys in the room than yesterday. (You can physically count how many people were in the room)

It was less busy than yesterday. You can’t count ‘busy’.

WingBingo · 27/06/2025 21:15

I would imagine nearly all of us are on a mobile phone. No excuse.

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:16

Steelworks · 27/06/2025 21:14

My son taught me the difference between less and fewer.

if you can count it, it’s fewer. If you can’t it’s less.

ie. There were fewer boys in the room than yesterday. (You can physically count how many people were in the room)

It was less busy than yesterday. You can’t count ‘busy’.

Does it really matter, if people can understand the sentence when either word is used.

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PollyCreo · 27/06/2025 21:16

Are apostrophes acceptable when swearing?

"Fuckin' 'ell Denise, your fella's a right knob 'ead!" Should it be "Fuckinell Denise, your fellas a right knobead!"?

amicisimma · 27/06/2025 21:16

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I was replying to you as you were the person who made the point I wished to address.

And it speaks volumes that you call it 'bullshit' to have consideration for people with dyslexia who particularly struggle when faced with poor S&G.

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