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To think gestation outside the body is a fab idea

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Allotmentblackfly · 23/06/2025 18:47

Recent research makes the possibility of gestating a baby outside a woman’s body possible. Do we think this is a good idea or not?

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smallglassbottle · 23/06/2025 19:53

Whosenameisthis · 23/06/2025 19:45

No.

supporting the last few months of gestation outside the womb, where the foetus is only growing and getting bigger, is very different from conception.

there is a very complicated hormone system which controls growth and development in the first weeks/months. Without that turning a single cell into a functioning mammal is extremely difficult. Impossible, I’d say.

again, Adrianna Smith. And her baby was 9 weeks when she died so at least had those first weeks of normal development.

we know it is possible to keep a woman on life support for the final weeks. Adrianna Smith was an experiment to see if it could be done. I can’t much about the health of the baby unsurprisingly, but from what the family have said (hydrocephalus, amongst other issues, and only just over 1.5lbs at birth) he is likely to have severe ongoing issues.

one more time, Adrianna Smith.

Wait until AI via quantum computing gets going on this. It won't be that long. Everything is a commodity now.

Whosenameisthis · 23/06/2025 19:57

smallglassbottle · 23/06/2025 19:53

Wait until AI via quantum computing gets going on this. It won't be that long. Everything is a commodity now.

How is ai and quantum computing going to replicate the fertilisation and growth of a human?

We don’t even have robots that even come close to the physiological abilities of an adult human, never mind the complicated hormone gradients needed for development.

have they even managed to grow insects from eggs yet?

smallglassbottle · 23/06/2025 20:01

Whosenameisthis · 23/06/2025 19:57

How is ai and quantum computing going to replicate the fertilisation and growth of a human?

We don’t even have robots that even come close to the physiological abilities of an adult human, never mind the complicated hormone gradients needed for development.

have they even managed to grow insects from eggs yet?

By working out how to do it. Current computing is akin to knocking rocks together when compared to quantum computers. I don't think people realise just how might AI will be able to achieve once it's possible.

cheesycheesy · 23/06/2025 20:02

Grotesque. Who needs women now hey

Chiseltip · 23/06/2025 20:02

BabyofMine · 23/06/2025 18:49

Disgusting. Babies deserve to be born the way they’re supposed to be, with their mother.

Like the baby cares . .

😂

stargirl1701 · 23/06/2025 20:04

The trauma endured by the baby would be immense.

BabyofMine · 23/06/2025 20:05

Chiseltip · 23/06/2025 20:02

Like the baby cares . .

😂

Where did I say the baby “cares”? They don’t have a fucking clue do they?

Doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be grown inside an actual person like every other person that’s been born. If you think some kind of artificial womb can offer what nature can you’re an idiot.

BankHolidayMonday · 23/06/2025 20:06

Another "just because we can, doesn't mean we should".

If only we could focus all the money and man power on research to help with actual medical problems that should have disappeared by now.

IwasDueANameChange · 23/06/2025 20:06

Terrible. Babies are biologically programmed to be soothed by their mother's movements and heartbeats, their bond is forming from the moment of their conception. They receive immune protection via the blood supply that lasts beyond birth. While this can be upsetting for adoptive parents, its why even those babies adopted from birth can have a degree of attachment related trauma.

cheesycheesy · 23/06/2025 20:07

BankHolidayMonday · 23/06/2025 20:06

Another "just because we can, doesn't mean we should".

If only we could focus all the money and man power on research to help with actual medical problems that should have disappeared by now.

Yes like cancer and dementia. But yeah let’s concentrate on making babies artificially 🙄

W0tnow · 23/06/2025 20:07

Yes. Experimenting on growing foetuses in order to deliver a live baby is a wonderful idea!

AndStand · 23/06/2025 20:08

Can men not leave anything just for women?
This smacks of Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Dystopian stuff!

AttachmentFTW · 23/06/2025 20:08

You need to read Brave New World if you want to have a sense of where artificial gestation would take society.

cheesycheesy · 23/06/2025 20:09

AndStand · 23/06/2025 20:08

Can men not leave anything just for women?
This smacks of Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Dystopian stuff!

No it seems to they want to invade everything and how dare we be offended by this

HagsRule · 23/06/2025 20:09

Just like surrogacy, where babies are bought and paid for and removed from their mothers, this is a hard hard no from me.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 23/06/2025 20:11

Dreadful idea that would end very badly.

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/06/2025 20:12

What research?

FlipFlopShopInHawaii · 23/06/2025 20:13

Motomum23 · 23/06/2025 18:48

Unethical and abhorrent

👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

Jerrypicker · 23/06/2025 20:15

Notyomama · 23/06/2025 19:08

Men really really need to do something about their envy of women.

😆😆
I doubt men envy pregnancy and childbirth and all the risks that come with it. Even women struggle with it.

cheesycheesy · 23/06/2025 20:15

HagsRule · 23/06/2025 20:09

Just like surrogacy, where babies are bought and paid for and removed from their mothers, this is a hard hard no from me.

More risk of babies being born and taken by deviant/perverted men too.

stichguru · 23/06/2025 20:15

I would never ever support the idea of growing a child in a lab ever. However there are quite a number of child born with massive complications and potentially life long disabilities, either because they came out very premature and it couldn't be stopped, or because inducing labour or performing a c-section was the only way to save the child or the mother. While (as a disabled through prematurity myself) I am not saying that these children's lives aren't worth living as they are, but maybe they would have easier lives without those complications? Personally my cerebral palsy was due to a problem that wasn't picked up early enough to use an artificial womb. My friend though had been monitored for pre-eclampsia for some time before it got so bad they HAD to deliver her son at 26 weeks because mum and son would have died if they didn't. If a few weeks before that, rather then praying she'd not become dangerously ill before he was old enough to survive, they had been able to move him to an artificial womb, maybe they wouldn't both have had to fight for life, with him disabled as a result.

unconditionalpurelove · 23/06/2025 20:16

No fucking way

Allotmentblackfly · 23/06/2025 20:31

Interesting! Most people think its an awful idea.
Having hated with a passion obs and gynae in my training - too much blood/ too much emotion/ lots of unnecessary screaming, I always said to my husband that I looked forward to the time when vaginal birth was unnecessary.
Advantages

  1. more equal expectations of parenting from both mother and father. Father is not 'excluded' by not being the gestator
  2. Easier to see when fetus is struggling and able to provide timely intervention
  3. Great if not able to carry baby yourself - womb problems etc
  4. No need for surrogacy.
  5. Baby can be exposed to recordings of mum and dad's voice and womb sounds.
  6. no smashed pelvic floors, cesearean sections, pain in childbirth etc.
:)
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MrsTerryPratchett · 23/06/2025 20:33

Allotmentblackfly · 23/06/2025 20:31

Interesting! Most people think its an awful idea.
Having hated with a passion obs and gynae in my training - too much blood/ too much emotion/ lots of unnecessary screaming, I always said to my husband that I looked forward to the time when vaginal birth was unnecessary.
Advantages

  1. more equal expectations of parenting from both mother and father. Father is not 'excluded' by not being the gestator
  2. Easier to see when fetus is struggling and able to provide timely intervention
  3. Great if not able to carry baby yourself - womb problems etc
  4. No need for surrogacy.
  5. Baby can be exposed to recordings of mum and dad's voice and womb sounds.
  6. no smashed pelvic floors, cesearean sections, pain in childbirth etc.
:)

‘Lots of unnecessary screaming’? Do you struggle with empathy, generally? Because that may explain why you don't understand why babies need mothers to carry them.

Answeringaquestiontonight · 23/06/2025 20:34

Very Brave New World…