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To think Palestine Action isn't a terrorist group?

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NotDarkGothicMama · 23/06/2025 07:28

I don't agree with what they've done (breaking into military bases to vandalise planes), but I don't understand why they're being proscribed. Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil have caused far more damage to property and general annoyance.

Arrest and prosecute the people who commit criminal acts, absolutely, but this is setting the bar for branding protestors "terrorists" far too low.

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Crazyworldmum · 23/06/2025 16:58

They have openly support Hamas on several occasions by using Hamas bandanas and symbols , they damage military stuff . What did you expect ? I say it’s about time .
Lets hope the Muslim brotherhood is next as they have also been banned most countries

KennyMousetits · 23/06/2025 17:00

Clavinova · 23/06/2025 16:29

He wasn't shouting a slogan - from my BBC link;

He shouted: "Britain first, this is for Britain.
"Britain will always come first...

the mystery of Mair is he appears to have simply got on with forming and reinforcing his views with no contact to any of the known extremist organisations in the UK.
There is no evidence of him having been identified at rallies or marches down the years...

Also from your link;

again shouted: "Britain first."

He shouted Britain First twice during his attack. Whether he was a card carrying member of the group or not, the fact he chose that statement to say out loud twice whilst murdering an MP surely shows his support of the group.

Proscribing Palestine Action as a terrorist organisation means that being a member or supporting their views is a crime.

Yet being a member of Britain First or supporting their views is grand?

VerityUnreasonble · 23/06/2025 17:09

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2025-06-23/hcws729

It's worth reading the statement as to why it's suggested they be proscribed. It's not just because they "threw some paint on a plane"

Hoardasurass · 23/06/2025 17:17

NotDarkGothicMama · 23/06/2025 08:04

I wouldn't say throwing a bit of paint at a plane is serious damage. It needs a clean and a respray, not scrapping. Should they be prosecuted? Yes. Would I have cared if they'd been shot by the personnel responsible for securing the base? Only so far as it would affect those personnel.

The sprayed paint into the engines, 1 of which may need to be replaced at cost of £25 million.
I really don't think that you understand both the pression engineering that goes into a jet engine or quite how much damage can be done to them by using a high pressure jet of paint from a modified fire extinguisher.
This group of terrorists are escalating their behaviour and tactics. They started vandalising the buildings of companies that work with Israel, then they started "protesting " in mobs on MPs doorsteps, then mobbing and trying to stop them entering parliament and again on the way out. When that didn't get what they wanted a group of them ram raided a defence company in Bristol (members of PA awaiting trial) and now they've damaged vital military equipment to a value of over £25 million in 1 act of terrorism because our government won't accede to their demands.
These are just some of the acts of terrorism this group are responsible for, how much further do they need to go before you recognise that they are a terrorist group?

BatchCookBabe · 23/06/2025 17:19

YABVU. They absolutely are!

RanyaJerodung · 23/06/2025 17:22

Thank you, @VerityUnreasonble and @Hoardasurass - good points 👍

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 23/06/2025 17:25

KennyMousetits · 23/06/2025 08:01

We have marched and we have signed petitions but the UK government continues to send arms to support the genocide the Israeli government is carrying out against the Palestinian people in Gaza.

Funny how Kier Starmer supported the anti war protestors who broke into RAF Fairford in 2003 and said it was justified to prevent war crimes.

Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist.
The suffragettes were called terrorists.
Britain First were not called terrorists. Even after Jo Cox was murdered by one of their members who shouted their slogan.

Palestine Action is not a terrorist group, the actions of some members has embarrassed the government and they are reacting. This does not make them terrorists.

FFS it’s KEIR! KEIR!

pistachioicecream · 23/06/2025 17:29

User37482 · 23/06/2025 09:05

Sorry but it’s true, a bunch of these idiots are now protesting on behalf of a regime that whips and blinds women. Fools.

Agree - how we've got to point where people are marching on the streets of the UK in support of the Iranian government is utterly beyond me.

KennyMousetits · 23/06/2025 17:30

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 23/06/2025 17:25

FFS it’s KEIR! KEIR!

Soz

Hoardasurass · 23/06/2025 17:31

BarBellBarbie · 23/06/2025 09:02

Protesting military action by damaging military bases is not an act of terrorism, it is protest. Civil disobedience has a long and honourable history. Generally participants accept that they will suffer the consequences of their acts in being arrested and charged. But calling it terrorism is ridiculous.

Slight problem with your logic there, as our military are not involved in either of Israels wars, so it's just plain old terrorism and maybe treason

RanyaJerodung · 23/06/2025 17:32

@KennyMousetits of course the Suffragettes were terrorists. Yes, Nelson Mandela was a terrorist. Many Suffragettes went to prison, they stopped their campaign for the duration of WWI and supported the war Mandela went to prison. When he was released he went down the route of democracy, peace and reconciliation.

RanyaJerodung · 23/06/2025 17:33

Hoardasurass · 23/06/2025 17:31

Slight problem with your logic there, as our military are not involved in either of Israels wars, so it's just plain old terrorism and maybe treason

This ⬆️.
Two previous posters have claimed that these RAF planes have been bombing innocent people in Gaza.

ZanyLou · 23/06/2025 17:37

Exaltedmalteaser · 23/06/2025 07:30

They carry out terrorist activities, therefore they are terrorists. Simple.

They are being treated as terrorists without having killed anyone or intending to. They were planning to paint RAF jets red to stop them flying.

RanyaJerodung · 23/06/2025 17:39

ZanyLou · 23/06/2025 17:37

They are being treated as terrorists without having killed anyone or intending to. They were planning to paint RAF jets red to stop them flying.

Read the posts upthread about the impact of the paint. Also, pp have explained other activities they have been involved in. Also, pp have given the definitions of terrorism.

bombastix · 23/06/2025 17:40

ZanyLou · 23/06/2025 17:37

They are being treated as terrorists without having killed anyone or intending to. They were planning to paint RAF jets red to stop them flying.

Your understanding of terrorist offending is too limited. There is a lot of terrorist activity that does not involve killing anyone.

SisterTeatime · 23/06/2025 17:40

User37482 · 23/06/2025 13:57

I have no idea why so many people on the left are so keen on islamofacist regimes and kleptocracies but loathe their own democratic societies. It’s extraordinary to me.

I know, it is extraordinary.

And some people here could do with watching a few episodes of Air Crash Investigation!

PickyBits · 23/06/2025 17:42

I see one of the founders of this group is the daughter of Palestinian and Iraqi immigrant parents (yes it’s the DM but it gives some background):

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14834175/amp/Palestine-Action-middle-class-leader-campaign-against-hummus-RAF-plane.html

The other founder was an Extinction Rebellion activist who was charged in Aug 2024 for expressing an opinion that is supportive of a proscribed organisation, Hamas, relating to two speeches, on 8th Oct and 11 Oct 2023,

www.crowdjustice.com/case/richard-barnard/

No surprises there then but who funds them I wonder seeing as it doesn’t look like either have much cash and Bernard has been crowdfunding for his legal fees?

ZanyLou · 23/06/2025 17:42

RanyaJerodung · 23/06/2025 17:39

Read the posts upthread about the impact of the paint. Also, pp have explained other activities they have been involved in. Also, pp have given the definitions of terrorism.

Could you direct me to those posts please which show how painting jets red is terrorism ? Terrorism means killing or seriously injuring people not stopping them doing things.

noblegiraffe · 23/06/2025 17:45

ZanyLou · 23/06/2025 17:42

Could you direct me to those posts please which show how painting jets red is terrorism ? Terrorism means killing or seriously injuring people not stopping them doing things.

It has been posted several times but here you go.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/terrorism

  • serious violence against a person;
  • serious damage to property;
  • endangering a person's life (other than that of the person committing the action);
  • creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public; and
  • action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
mutinyonthetwix · 23/06/2025 17:45

ZanyLou · 23/06/2025 17:42

Could you direct me to those posts please which show how painting jets red is terrorism ? Terrorism means killing or seriously injuring people not stopping them doing things.

Have a read of Section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2000 - www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/1

RanyaJerodung · 23/06/2025 17:45

ZanyLou · 23/06/2025 17:42

Could you direct me to those posts please which show how painting jets red is terrorism ? Terrorism means killing or seriously injuring people not stopping them doing things.

No, someone has given the definition upthread, as clarified by Yvette Cooper, the Home Secretary. The details of the paint damage to military aircraft is also upthread.- @Hoardasurass at 17.17pm

ZanyLou · 23/06/2025 17:47

noblegiraffe · 23/06/2025 17:45

It has been posted several times but here you go.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/terrorism

  • serious violence against a person;
  • serious damage to property;
  • endangering a person's life (other than that of the person committing the action);
  • creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public; and
  • action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.

Thanks . Moderate damage to properly is not included in the definition and I hope it never is. These guys are a protest group.

PickyBits · 23/06/2025 17:48

I mean who the AF would try to defend these disgusting terrorist supporting nut jobs?

Seriously?

bombastix · 23/06/2025 17:48

If you have to replace a whole jet engine at 25 million, that is not moderate damage to property

Pollqueen · 23/06/2025 17:49

Breaking into a military base and sabotaging military equipment is the very definition of terrorism. They are very lucky they weren't shot

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