Intelectual abuse should be a thing

[Missanimosity]

I am not sure how else to name it. I refer to cases like America's most hated family -I just rewatched the documentary and it still shocks me to the core that those children live in that environment. For those who don't know, they belong to a "church" that basically supports the idea that if not part of the said church you burn in hell. They take those kids to demonstrations like war veterans and soldiers funerals, pride parades, put the children on street corners with big signs "God hate fags" "you will burn in hell" etc. All they do is spread hate and they are proud of it. I really don't think that even if those kids leave the church they will never have a normal life. They expose those kids to this hate, one child was hit in the head with a bottle dduring one of those signs displays and the mother was crying boohoo how can they hurt a child. But she is the one getting the kids to hold those disgusting signs. Why are they not removed from the family? Why is this allowed? On the other hand, if this would be a thing, where do you cross the line, as thinking about it children living in overly religious families are also exposed and raised into some kind of doctrine or mentality? Just thinking about it, what is your opinion? This is not a post to shame any religion, everyone has the right to follow whatever and whoever they please don't turn this into a warzone, be respectful.

Can you give me an example, please? I know that is the case in muslim countries, Christian I never heard but I might be ignorant. I was raised an Orthodox Christian and homosexuality is preached as to be a sin, however, is also preached that God made us after himself (like we are a copy of God) one shall not judge, one shall not throw stones and love though neighbour. So pick and chose, I guess. We are fed a lot of information but what you do with it, how you apply it is dependant on your moral values or the ones of the family you were raised in. I am no longer practicing but I have my faith that is not dictates by the bible and what it says in it. My family values were treat others how you want to be treated so I tried my best to follow that. My mother prays for me though.

The teachings of that church are also incredibly physically abusive to children to the point that children have died from the beatings their parents gave following the guidance in the books that they publish.

It would be illegal anywhere sane.

That reminds me of that Lori something. She was keeping her kids in shackles until one escaped and went to the neighbour, skinny thin with ligature marks on his ankles and hands and in terrible state. Police went to the house and found the other kids held captive like animals, and they were living in a mansion. Horriffic. She also had some youtube channel telling her followers how to educate children. Also incolved a church.

Here's a list of countries where it's illegal. However, even in places where laws have changed, that doesn't rule out vigilante justice or other forms of homophobia:
https://database.ilga.org/criminalisation-consensual-same-sex-sexual-acts

29 Commonwealth countries criminalise homosexuality.

This is not her or there though, the vigilante and homopfobia can happen anywhere not only in Christian countries. Look at the Brianna case who waa murdered by some of her peers for being trans. Nothing to do with Christianity though. However, I still don't see in what Chriatian country you can get killed for being homosexual.

I'm not really sure what you mean OP. I've given you a list of countries where homosexuality is illegal because of Christianity and explained that in many Christian countries, your life can be in danger if you're outed. We get refugees in the UK fleeing homophobic persecution.

Yes, homophobia occurs all over the world, not just in Christian countries. The common denominator is religion.

You are blurring your points we were talking about religion a.pp has provided some info about Christian countries and homophonic, your response doesn't make sense.

The children of Westboro Baptist Church weren’t homeschooled. They went to ordinary schools as they were effectively a pillar of their faith, and “needed to be seen” (or something along those lines; it was questioned in the first documentary). They had access to normal education, but were limited to studying at the local university, presumably to ensure that they stayed at home and, therefore, part of the church. There are three documentaries, on iPlayer and Amazon Prime (America’s Most Hated Family, America’s Most Hated Family in Crisis and Surviving America’s Most Hated Family), as well as a few books. There’s Unfollow, by Megan Phelps-Roper, Girl on a Wire, by Libby Phelps, and Banished, by Lauren Drain. A number of the children have left, but there is a new generation growing up under the church’s teachings.

I imagine that, if anyone tried to take away the children of the church, then all of the lawyers within the group would fight it tooth and nail to get CPS to leave them alone. Isn’t one of the American amendments to do with religious freedom, and another about freedom of speech (hence the protesting)?

Also, it was Ruby Franke (not Lori Vallow) whose son approached a neighbour with obvious signs of being tied up, starved and abused. I watched a series about the Franke family on Disney+ recently.

Disclaimer: Despite growing up in an atheist household, I just have an interest in various religious groups and their teachings!

I was talking about a point raised that in some Christian countries you can be killed if you are outed, due to homophobia and vigilantes. I stated that this can happen anywhere not only in the Christian countries, I did not question the veridicity of the information.
Edit: I realise now that I changed the focus of the conversation without mentioning, sorry.

Thank you, intersting read. Was Lori involved though? Why I remeber her being involved?

@Missanimosity was it just the first Louis Theroux doc you watched, or also the one when he went back a lot later? And I’m sure I recall that at least one of the daughters left the church.

Just the first, the only one I found, didn't know they were follow ups, I just found out here. On the list, I am off today and tomorrow.

I don't know that religion and homophobia are necessarily linked. There's definitely correlation but I don't know that there's causation? Almost all cultures have historically been religious in some way. Many of those cultures have been homophobic. Most people in the world are religious now, and in many places homophobia is still mainstream. People will justify it according to their religion, but there are lots of areligious homophobes too. America is technically a secular country and the UK technically a Christian one but my uninformed idea is that there is much more homophobia over there? I think it's more about a culture of social progression. More socially progressive cultures, even if still religious, are less homophobic than socially Conservative ones.
I think a lot of the roots of homophobia are about maintaining a social and familial structure that controls women and property. The establishment wants man + woman = babies so they can have a stable supply of workers and predictable social units. Homosexulity disrupts that. The religions that still outlaw it tend to be the ones that still overtly oppress women too.
The Anglican Church in the UK and the Anglican Church in Africa are in serious dispute about this and hence the union is on the verge of falling apart. Theoretically they all believe the same thing, it's the same religion - except clearly they don't. Because it's culture, not doctrine that shapes their beliefs.

Slightly envious that you still have any of his programmes left to watch for the first time! I think I’ve probably watched them all through at least twice, especially his older ones - I think the weird weekends and the other older ones.

So quite similar to what pride has become over here, except that they pretend it’s love. At least these guys own it.

Lori Vallow Daybell was convicted of murdering her two children after she became convinced their souls had been taken over. However she continued to collect child related benefits etc until a huge hunt found the remains of both children on her new husbands property. He’s convicted too. They are both also convicted of killing his wife. Lori has just been convicted of murdering her ex husband and attempting to murder her nieces husband. Massive personality disorder and a real nasty piece of work:

She stepped away from the Mormon church to a splinter version which was cult like.

Oh, yes, I remember now, and she hid the death of her kids for quite some time. I mixed them up in my head

But these countries are not Christian. Most of them are Muslim countries. And in some of them Christianity may be present but is not the dominant religion.

Lori Vallow and her partner had their own beliefs. I've never read of any links between her and Ruby Franke! I think that the only similarities is that both came from Mormon backgrounds, they came to believe that their children were zombies and they were afraid for their souls, and that they are both in prison now.

I'm also envious that you get to watch the documentaries for the first time! I end up watching documentaries on repeat, because they do not make enough new ones! Happy documentary watching, and enjoy your time off! 🙂

P.S. If you haven't seen it, 'Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey' on Netflix is an interesting documentary series.

I didn't say they were all Christian. It's a list of countries around the world where homosexuality is illegal. Homosexuality is illegal in countries because of religion. It's part of the legacy of colonisation that homosexuality was outlawed and that's because of Christianity. I find it difficult to believe that people have never heard of Christians persecuting homosexuals.

Its called radicalisation.
People when they hear that word just think of terrorism. However this kind of abuse is the brainwashing, grooming, exposure to any extreme views regardless of religion.

From my experience, growing in an ex-comunist country, quite intolerant and strict Christians, and from other friends from countries around mine (think central-Eastern European) who are the same more or less, no! Never heard of persecuted homosexuals.

You said there were Christian countries where you can be killed if you are a homosexual and they found it out. Then OP asked; which Christian countries? Then you provided a list of Muslim countries, and some others where Christianity is present but not the dominant religion.
So …what are the Christian countries where you can be killed for homosexual activities in 2025?

This, this is the point I was trying to make and I was not understood.

Yes, it's strange some people don't know about it. Homosexuality was outlawed in the UK until relatively recently OP. In 1988 we had Section 28 which made it illegal to 'promote homosexuality', it was only repealed in 2003. Homosexuality was outlawed in the 16th century. Look up Alan Turing.

Further afield, many Christian denominations are extremely homophobic and it can be very dangerous to be outed.