The US has bombed Fordow and other sites.

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/22/israel-iran-war-live-trump-says-us-has-attacked-nuclear-sites-in-iran-including-fordow

considering how often the west gets accused of western imperialism etc, would the better option be for the west to completely pull out of the region ?

Doha as well, certainly for the next day or so (the code shares with the likes of Qatar are still operating).

Looks like the company is taking a time out to assess risk to their assets (crew, aircraft etc)

Sorry - I thought that might have been the case. I believe they've done it before,in the 70s. Guess we'll soon know.

Isn't it a good job that our government has just scrapped Millepede's crackpot Net Zero agenda and agreed to resume oil drilling in the North Sea?

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/iran-oil-doomsday-hormuz-may-be-more-fear-than-reality-bousso-2025-06-22/

and btw the Strait of Hormuz is a vast and natural waterway over 30 kilometres wide at its narrowest point. Iran controls only the northern half of the Strait. The southern half is under the control of Oman, which has consistently championed freedom of navigation.

@mrsrtobinson Yes, in these circumstances.
It would be better if we had gone ahead when we had time and got more green energy ( there is no military power that can control the sun, wind and waves!).
We could also have put our overalls on and got our own manufacturing back in action...
But, well, maybe finally we realise that we cannot make ourselves dependant on countries who are a whole continent away.

We also have some waste to energy plants across the country, which are not doing very well. Let's see if we get them in reasonable performance.

In the context of this thread - there is one and anyone with half a brain cell can tell who it is.

They should pull out of everywhere they have their scummy fingers in, in the entire global south.

@mrsrtobinson ”Strait of Hormuz is a vast and natural waterway over 30 kilometres wide at its narrowest point. Iran controls only the northern half of the Strait. The southern half is under the control of Oman, ”

30km is nothing to an anti-ship missile though, and Iran has a coast the whole length of the Persian Gulf. Iran also has a reasonable submarine fleet capable of mine laying. Would be unlikely to torpedo anything though, as that would lead to their location and sudden demise.
So, Iran can quite easily close the Straits.

This.

I agree with your first sentence. I did say that and then I popped back and saw your jolly naive comment 'I don't think regime change is wanted' so was tempted back, probably foolishly!

Yes, I have listened to several media outlets, etc today.
The US has said they don't want regime change but since when does anyone with sense believe everything that the US says?!
I posted this clip twice on the other thread about the peace loving president who has just attacked Iran. The peace loving didn't last long did it?
https://x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1850654992975454219

Israel, who is a key country involved in this wants regime change, has done for decades and also to kill all the Iranian leaders. Exactly what the US's involvement will be going forwards, no one can predict but it's very clear that this conflict is far from over.

Do you think a resumption of drilling in the N Sea will counteract the high oil prices and economic destruction if the Iranians do close the Straits of Hormuz? That seems to be what you are suggesting.

Well if that's where you get your opinions from no wonder they are so very deceptive and misleading.

Can you respond without the usual ‘jolly naive’ stuff?

If you can I’ll engage otherwise it’s just more of the same, I don’t see your posts as more informed tbh.

I think you meant to say 'in your opinion'.
Perhaps you can expand upon why you think the opinions of those two men are 'deceptive and misleading' and who you prefer to reply on for your information.

If you were posting in good faith I would ;)

So how would you characterise your ' I don't think regime change is wanted' statement?

You haven't engaged at all. You have just said, repeatedly, that you are very worried about the threat of Iran's nuclear missile program. You haven't explained why. You have ignored many posters telling you that there are no nuclear weapons at present nor any evidence that Iran is trying to acquire them. You haven't responded to how this should be eliminated or what further steps Israel/the US would need to take to ensure this.
You really don't need to respond. I am not asking you too.

Best post on the thread! Though there have also been some interesting and informative posts from a few people. (Not including the dishonest ones)

What a pathetic cop out.
Do let us know whose opinions we should be listening to. Perhaps they are genuinely worth listening to or perhaps not.

It’s from the US. You won’t believe anything up to you.

I don’t see the point in continuing as you block out all information bar some confirmation bias. No BBC or other radio, no commentators that might bring further insight.

Many are concerned only a few on mn so far seem certain it’s not a problem, which is what you seem to be concluding. Fine, do that then.

@Ilovelifeverymuch @GentleSheep

I find it appalling that people like you in the West have absolutely no regard for ordinary people in the Middle East. They too are just going about living their lives and trying to raise their families, despite the difficulties of whatever governments they live under.

Worst of all, we have just seen the dissemination of the Palestinians and their lives, their cities and towns. Do you wish this upon more chaos, destruction and death on more people and children to make a point that our leaders have more military power than theirs?

I don't block out information. You haven't given any information at all and haven't been able to name a single expert when asked more than once. I do listen to UK media too, as well as other sources, btw.

I’m not listing the ten or so people all giving decent opinions today.

You have playback I assume, turn on the radio and have a listen.

You haven't listed one single person. I have suggested two and you were dismissive.
There has been no engagement, just repetitive statements.

Well stop then. Listen to playback and get the names you’re after.