The US has bombed Fordow and other sites.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/22/israel-iran-war-live-trump-says-us-has-attacked-nuclear-sites-in-iran-including-fordow

Of course Iran are the bad guys if you have a simple naive one sided view of the world.

Are the Israelis the bad guys for you if they are starving the population of Gaza and bombing hospitals or do you then go into justification mode for this right wing ultranationalist Israeli government. From the murdering of doctors to journalist to children….

Are the US the bad guys for you if they have been involved with endless conflicts or do you justify that if it serves that national interests regardless of how many people end up dying …

For me Iran are not the bad guys. The U.S. and UK overthrew Iran’s democratically elected leader in 1953 to protect oil interests, meddling in other countries and then acting surprised with the consequences that bring about.

Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and others are all vying for influence. Each supports proxy groups and takes actions others would deem aggressive/distasteful.

Countries like the U.S. and Israel have blatantly violated international law (Iraq and Gaza) but again for you they are probably not the bad guys which shows the blatant double standards in how different countries are judged.

If Pakistan, Russia and Israel can be trusted with nuclear weapons and not be seen as bad guys then I am all for Iran having them too.

Imagine there is a big playground with lots of different kids. Some kids are friends, some don’t get along.

One of the kids is called Iran. Some of the other kids, like America and Israel, don’t trust Iran and are worried it might build something dangerous, like a toy that could really hurt people. But Iran says, 'I’m not doing anything wrong!'

America this morning flies over and breaks some of Iran’s toys, saying, 'Just in case you're hiding something dangerous!' But nothing dangerous was found. Iran gets really upset, like, 'Why did you do that?! I didn’t even do anything!'

Now Iran is thinking about how to respond — maybe shouting, maybe pushing back — and everyone on the playground is nervous about what might happen next.

The US labelling any other nation a “bully” is fairly rich in irony.

Thankyou.

Why do people keep saying that this has happened because BN has said Iran has weapons?

That's not how military intelligence works. There are always multiple sources.

And if he has been saying it for years, why would it suddenly matter right now?

You don't suddenly call a president out of the G7 talks and have a secret bombing mission, complete with misdirection, because of some guy saying the same thing for 30 years.

They did not. The flight originated in the US and refueled off the coast of Spain. The B-2s that deployed to Guam were a faint.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/21/b2-stealth-bombers-iran-attack/84299799007/

@DiscoDancingDoris that "nothing dangerous" did include enriched uranium. Just bear that in mind.

That’s a pretty conclusive view on being happy they have them.

Of course the fact is that Iran has been caught building dangerous things before, and is regularly telling some of the other kids they are going to annihilate them. So that they are under a special behaviour protocol to prevent them acting on it.

People are worried because we have seen this before. The 2003 invasion of Iraq by besties US and UK. The claim that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction - we were told that there were ‘multiple sources' confirming this. Mr Powell even went to the UN with satellite images and supposed 'intelligence.' It was all false! As a result of their lies hundreds of thousands died/got injured and the whole region was and destabilised. We have the US and UK to thank for the formation of ISIS. Netanyahu is using this same playbook of lies told with confidence and a straight face.

88% is still a significant way off. United States' own intelligence countered Israeli statements by saying Iran was 3 years away. And it was Trump that tore up the JCPOA in 2018. Not Iran. Interesting that you mention Iran's philosophy of hatred towards Israel but not Israel's towards Iran. Are they not the aggressors in this instance?

The fact is also that playground assistants choose to look away when Israel is hurting other kids.
Israel has dangerous toys and refuses to sign a behaviour policy where outside agencies can check their toys and see just how dangerous they are.
Put as Israel’s parents are on the governing body and make huge donations their behaviour in school and on the playground are convenient ignored.

It's not as simple as "Palestinians don't want it". There have been promising opportunities, that have been destroyed by the Israeli Government. Netanyahu actually boasted on video about derailing the Oslo Accords which were probably the best hope of a two-state solution (and many, including Israelis, would also say his actions encouraged the murder of Rabin, who was probably the most likely leader to have pulled it off). Agreed Hamas is a huge barrier to a two state solution, but so is Netanyahu and his ilk.
No home grown terrorist organisation has ever been destroyed by military force alone. Israel's current actions in Gaza (and Iran) may have secured a modicum of short-term security but have assured long-term hatred and violence.

@DomPom47 ,

‘If Pakistan, Russia and Israel can be trusted with nuclear weapons and not be seen as bad guys then I am all for Iran having them too.’

We don’t have the luxury of this kind of moral equivalence. Iran would use a nuke on Israel in a heartbeat, even if they were guaranteed to be destroyed in return.

Iran are our enemy as well. They would hurt us if they could.

Once a country has nukes, that ship has sailed. They are immune from attack; look at N Korea. But that doesn’t mean we should allow anyone who wants nukes to have them.

I am pretty pessimistic about nukes and suspect humanity will use them to destroy itself in the next 100 years or so, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to avoid it.

88% is a significant way off what Iran was telling the world why it needed enriched uranium.
Anyway, now they have no enriched uranuim.

Except they have. US intelligence has consistently stated that Iran is not actively pursuing such a weapon. It recently assessed that, even if Iran decided to do so, it was up to three years away from being able to produce a nuclear weapon that it could deliver to a target of its choosing.

@DomPom47 I'm glad you're able to openly back up a regime which rapes, , mutilates and murders women (fighting for basic rights) and men who step out of line. Who employs proxies all over the region to destroy Israel and has vowed since its inception to do so as well as sponsoring terror in many countries all over the world. And that's what you openly support - terrifying.

Forgive me for being stupid but how do we know they have no enriched uranium now? Wouldn’t it potentially have been blown up?
Anyhow we only have Trumps word for it …

I do not want Iran to have nuclear power.

I do want a peaceful 2 state future where Gaza and Israel are concerned.

I do want terrorists and enablers to be punished.

I am very concerned about Russia.

I do not trust Trump. He is a loose canon. The US under him is also a threat to Europe.

I can't abide the pro Iran (oh it's not fair they should be allowed to have nuclear weapons) /Pro Hamas / pro Russian posts on mn. There is a lot of bad faith posting. It's no use.

Do you honestly think a Democrat President would have taken such an action without the approval of Congress - as Trump has done?

I don’t. Doing this is potentially an impeachable offense.

It doesn’t matter that it’s an impeachable offence, he has the support of enough in the house for that to fail. You need a two thirds majority for that unfortunately

Any action taken by Trump is dangerous - badly thought out without consideration for the consequences. The world is less safe today.

Agree

This is a side issue, but I suddenly remembered that British couple Craig and Lindsay Foreman who were taken into custody in Iran earlier this year. Their families must be beside themselves and my heart goes out to them.

House Speaker Mike Johnson and Senate Majority Leader John Thune were informed post-strike and not before as is required.