The US has bombed Fordow and other sites.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/22/israel-iran-war-live-trump-says-us-has-attacked-nuclear-sites-in-iran-including-fordow

Are you actually serious? The Iranians were in negotiations with the US when Israel attacked them! Please go and look this up before talking such nonsense.

Makes sense.and it's quite possible..the aircraft involved have the capability to operate from bases in US to the Gulf region and back again without landing.

It does look like here was a bit of a shell game being played yesterday over SM with talk of the bombers being deployed to Guam...

I think the word was developed by Raphael Lemkin in 1943/4 but he certainly had read widely about Armenians under the Ottomans and that influenced his thinking.

As I said, if you choose to believe Netanyahu's accounts of the last 30+ years and some unnamed analysts on the BBC, that is up to you.

I don't think Iran has nuclear weapons nor do I think is it nearly at the point of developing them, as Netanyahu has suggested for 30+ years. I therefore don't see a nuclear risk from Iran. What I do see is repeated violence and aggression from the Israelis and The West now joining in actively as opposed to just supplying weapons, intelligence, etc. That is what has actually happened, not something that you and some leaders are concerned about. If you and they genuinely believe that we are at serious risk of attack, then you all need to own the consequences of the actions that you are supporting.

You cannot actually believe this.
You actually think you can go and attack another country and nothing will happen to you?
The country you've just attacked unprovoked will just roll over?
The only threat to the West is the West.

Exactly and when said attack does happen they'll all act surprised as to why it happened, as though countries they attack should just accept it

Iraq 2.0

You'll reap what you sow and then play victim.

Both John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs are very knowledgeable. They offer relevant historical context to current world events; the are not justifying anyone's actions.

If only we had the humility to accept the west has made some serious foreign policy mistakes we might be able to learn from them and avoid making them again but unfortunately we seem unwilling to do that and that means yet another world war, with all its death and destruction, looks increasingly likely. When it's all over we will survey the wreckage and vow to never let it happen again......until the next time.

The evidence suggests that, collectively, humans are the stupidest species on the planet.

Yes you keep saying BBC and BN when I’ve said I’m not relying on those. Why is that?

As for the second paragraph, fine you can think that but for a fair while now the issue of Iran developing nuclear weapons has been a concern. If I were to look back I’d question Trump’s removal of JCPOA and whether we’d be somewhere else now. It’s hard to know and we can’t turn back the time. But whether it’s talks, treaties or not most are agreed Iran having those weapons is a high threat.

@Rosedreaming
‘ many Zionist support a two state solution’
Absolutely in a perfect world where we can negotiate and live alongside our neighbours without harming each other.
Palestine/Hamas do not want this solution - when will
People understand this point of view?

The best solution is to disarm/destabilise Terrorist groups and states that support them and stand absolutely firm on the basis of being able to defend your countries freedoms and security.

Iran stands against democracy and our shared values. This is a good day if this has set back its nuclear programme. I hope the people of Iran (a country where I have been by the way as a woman on business) now can rise up against their leaders and those of their people here in the UK to escape the regime can return in triumph.

There really is no point in going round and round in circles about this. You clearly think there is a threat that Iran has nuclear weapons and will attack multiple other countries (because some analysts and U vd L said so) and that this theoretical risk justifies all the violence. I am far more worried about them all triggering a massive escalation in violence, even a WW3 scenario. I would not put this past out current leaders.

Yes most leaders not just one have been concerned about this for some time. Hence the JCPOA.

So no not just the sarcasm stuff.

@anotherside and where do all the numbers of civilian desths come from? - a corrupt government who continue to perpetuate an idea that they are ‘The victims’ in all of this.

You really need to dig much further into Palestinian politics and policies to see that the principle of engaging your civilians into ‘martydom’ and be paid for your acts in way of large sums of money, perpetuates the fight that will never have a peaceful solution.

Politics based on ideology has no place in a modern and peaceful world. The corrupt officials in high office ‘WANT’ this conflict to continue so aid money is stolen for their own greed.
Follow the money, of the aid agencies and charities - if this all stopped, what are the financial losses. We can create the narratives that benefit our own self serving aims.

You think that we are justified in attacking another sovereign country because they don't share 'Western values'? Are Western values about being violent and tyrannical because that is what you are suggesting.

You think that history suggests that the Iranian people will no rise up against their leaders? For a recent example of how this supposition worked out, you should look at Russia and Putin. There are many other examples.

Iran had no nuclear weapons yesterday. It has none today. How has the US actions made the rest of the world safer from a country run by fanatical lunatics? Do you not think Iran will now want revenge?

How will the US actions help the people of Iran rise up against the regime?

Let's not foregt in all this - the decision was made by serial bankruptee, Liar-in-Chief , convicted felon , sexual harasser and rapist Donald J.Trump.

I won't be responding to your posts further because we are just going round in circles.

Frankly, I pray that I am wrong about the escalation of violence and potential consequences of the Israeli and US (and UK and EU) actions.

Fine happy to disagree and not respond reading sarcasm in each post anyway.

Trump is running roughshod over his own country's protocol, and honestly, informing the world about an unconstitutional act of war via his social media before any official confirmation is not a good look. He's gone and done something that he technically shouldn't be able to do because he's a deluded megalomaniac who thinks God is on his side.

Since WW2 there have been "rules" designed to hopefully curtail countries deliberately destabilising "world peace" due to ego or delusions of grandeur.

This situation has torn up the rule book and I am really beginning to believe there is an undisclosed end game, partly economically driven, with an underpinning of religious zealotry.

As ever, gen pop are the disposable pawns in the chess game and the economic and humanitarian fallout will probably be catastrophic, even if it isn't immediate.

So I'm doing what we're all supposed to do, keeping calm and carrying on - in fact I'm about to put the kettle on.

While internally I feel as if the world has gone entirely mad, and if I'm not careful I'll follow suit.

How do these characterless, cultureless, virtueless men get
to put our fragile peace at risk like this? So their rich friends can sell weapons and they feel important? I wish that hell is real so I can join the queue to kick them in the nuts.

@DomPom47 Iran are the bad guys hth. :)

Yes, but that's rather disheartening, because a Democrat administration would likely have done exactly the same thing. It's very much in lone with what has always been American policy, and supported by NATO and the west.

So many people seem to have their faculties totally crushed by their TDS they can't even make the most basic type of analysis.

I am not some kind of fangirl for Israel, but it is crazy to me that people's support of Palestine seems to mean they can't look at the situation with Iran with some kind of historically accurate lens.

Can someone explain to me like I am a 5 year old what has happened and what may happen now.
I don't fully understand what the hell is going on and feel overwhelmed and anxious..🥴

Israel has been planning this for years. This was just an opportune time.

And I think the U.S using its bunker busters actually stabilises the situation, as taking on Israel is a far easier proposition than taking on the U.S.

Iran was close to getting a bomb. You can debate how close, but according to the IAEA, they had reached 83.7% purity, and 90% is required for a bomb. For a reactor, you need about 5%!

Iran has been ‘negotiating’ for years and, simultaneously, getting on with their bomb program. They were not negotiating in good faith.

Whilst, I can see that allowing some countries to have nukes and not others is ‘unfair’, practicality dictates that you don’t allow your enemy, especially when it is a theocratic regime, to join the nuclear club.