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religion phobic

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randomusername03 · 19/06/2025 15:44

is it acceptable to be religion phobic?

Not religious personally, i lump all moderate religions into a live and let live bucket. but the fundamentalist believers, be it westboro or hamas, i do find myself having a visceral and active dislike/distain for. and its mostly fundementalist islam that im aware due to the modern atrocities they have committed. is it bad to say im fundementalist islamaphobic for example?

OP posts:
MiloMinderbinder925 · 20/06/2025 10:50

pointythings · 19/06/2025 20:37

I think we may be referring to different faiths - there's more than one that likes genital mutilation.

FGM isn't religious. Circumcision is though.

TakeMe2Insanity · 20/06/2025 17:12

randomusername03 · 20/06/2025 07:00

just to add fuel the fire, im very much culturist too, and quite happy to say I'd see certain cultures wiped from the earth. Predominately those where pedophilia is the norm. And I think those cultures are very much tied to their religion and to say they are not is nonsense. I dont know why its bad to say that in certain swathes of the world islam preaches pedophilia as normal due to their interpretation of their faith, and so that behaviour becomes embedded in their culture. im not saying all Muslims adhere to that belief because thats patently and observedly untrue, but to try and quash any discussion of that issue under claims of either racism or islamaphobia is why Britain is in the position it is now with regards to the grooming gangs. id say a similiar but not quite the same issue occurred within the Catholic Church and I have as much disgust for that as well, pedophilia was rampant and those in power turned a blind eye.

And yet you keep saying

  • you aren’t making generalisations
  • you aren’t going on about Islam

It sounds like you’ve made yourself an expert on the subject without actually doing proper reading and research.

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 17:26

TakeMe2Insanity · 20/06/2025 17:12

And yet you keep saying

  • you aren’t making generalisations
  • you aren’t going on about Islam

It sounds like you’ve made yourself an expert on the subject without actually doing proper reading and research.

She knows how the religion makes her feel. I would think that's good enough for the poster.we are still allowed to have these opinions, so long as they stay within the law.

SerendipityJane · 20/06/2025 17:29

And I don't think bigotry or zealotry is confined to religion.

Yes. you get fruitloop atheists too. Less so agnostics I have to admit.

Bedofroses85 · 20/06/2025 17:48

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/06/2025 17:58

Neither are those who actually follow the teachings of the Holy Quran, OP, though those who like to pretend they do - often after being influenced by those who corrupt it - sometimes seek protection by claiming adherence to a religion they don't understand at all

It can be well worth finding a reputable scholar for guidance with this,not least because it can be very enlightening

But the OP is not disagreeing with you. She does not need to learn about the religion to be enlightened by it as she is not criticising it. She’s just talking about the extremist views!

Stompythedinosaur · 20/06/2025 17:52

I think it's not ok I say you're islamaphobic, no matter how you dress it up.

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 17:55

Stompythedinosaur · 20/06/2025 17:52

I think it's not ok I say you're islamaphobic, no matter how you dress it up.

Who gets to decide what's 'Islamaphobic' - you? I don't see anything, on this thread, that aligns with discrimination. She is referring to extremism, which you already know. If you're happy with that practice, don't expect the rest of us to be.

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 17:56

Bedofroses85 · 20/06/2025 17:48

But the OP is not disagreeing with you. She does not need to learn about the religion to be enlightened by it as she is not criticising it. She’s just talking about the extremist views!

As usual, the progressives are doing the guilt tripping.

Stompythedinosaur · 20/06/2025 18:07

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 17:55

Who gets to decide what's 'Islamaphobic' - you? I don't see anything, on this thread, that aligns with discrimination. She is referring to extremism, which you already know. If you're happy with that practice, don't expect the rest of us to be.

The op says it in her original post. "Is it bad to say I'm a fundamentalist Islamaphobic"!

I don't think that's ok.

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 18:11

Stompythedinosaur · 20/06/2025 18:07

The op says it in her original post. "Is it bad to say I'm a fundamentalist Islamaphobic"!

I don't think that's ok.

Yes, fundamentalist, meaning extreme Islam.

TakeMe2Insanity · 20/06/2025 18:34

Stompythedinosaur · 20/06/2025 18:07

The op says it in her original post. "Is it bad to say I'm a fundamentalist Islamaphobic"!

I don't think that's ok.

Exactly!!

Stompythedinosaur · 20/06/2025 19:50

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 18:11

Yes, fundamentalist, meaning extreme Islam.

Tbh I don't think there's any adjective that make Islamaphobic an acceptable way to describe yourself. It isn't a term people should be proud to be associated with.

randomusername03 · 21/06/2025 13:31

Stompythedinosaur · 20/06/2025 19:50

Tbh I don't think there's any adjective that make Islamaphobic an acceptable way to describe yourself. It isn't a term people should be proud to be associated with.

im getting to the point where perhaps I view islamaphobic the same way i see transophobic being used, as a tool to shut down discussion or questioning of things thats are blatantly not right. and in the same way that i have no respect for people who wish to enforce gender identity on me and am transphobic for doing so, i have no respect for people who wish to enforce fundementalist islam on me and am islamaphobic for doing so.

OP posts:
TY78910 · 21/06/2025 18:20

randomusername03 · 21/06/2025 13:31

im getting to the point where perhaps I view islamaphobic the same way i see transophobic being used, as a tool to shut down discussion or questioning of things thats are blatantly not right. and in the same way that i have no respect for people who wish to enforce gender identity on me and am transphobic for doing so, i have no respect for people who wish to enforce fundementalist islam on me and am islamaphobic for doing so.

The two are very very different. The vast majority of Muslims are not extremists. So to outright label yourself as Islamophobic, as opposed to anti-extremism is very worrying indeed.

Istilldontlikeolives · 21/06/2025 19:43

Tell us more about all these terrible Muslims you are in close proximity to.

Sabire9 · 21/06/2025 19:53

@randomusername03

"and in the same way that i have no respect for people who wish to enforce gender identity on me"

What does 'forcing gender identity' on you mean?

"i have no respect for people who wish to enforce fundementalist islam on me"

Like literally who has ever done that? I live within walking distance of 4 mosques. The only thing that's problematic about this is getting a parking space at the Lidl next to the mosque before Friday prayers.

SemperIdem · 21/06/2025 19:53

But…the people you’re talking about there are extremists. It is important to retain that distinction.

I live in a very diverse area, the most diverse in Wales apparently, and have done for a long time. If there is extremism, it is well hidden and not welcomed by any of the general population of the area. My Muslim neighbours have no more to do with extremism than I do.

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