Female only housing and reaction to it

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Haven't seen another thread on this but apologies if it's already somewhere. Ealing creating a tower lock for female only residents. NOT a safe house in the traditional sense of being hidden away but female only for feelings of security etc. Depressing reactions on SM, mostly around "what about men?" "Who's going to build it"? and inevitably the question of transwomen. Also an interesting point raised about male children and what happens when they turn 18. AIBU to think this is a good initiative and it's depressing that so many reactions are automatically ignoring the valid concerns of women who are typically more vulnerable than men and crying "double standards" rather than acknowledging that it is male behaviour that has created a perceived need for this?

The UN predicts it will be another 300 years before we reach equality.

1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted or raped.

1 in 6 girls are sexually abused.

Less than 5% of rapes lead to a charge and less than 1% to a conviction.

2 women a week are killed by men in the UK.

But yeah, we've gone crazy with women's rights.

Gone too far?
Things like this are bandaid on a gunshot wound. Little things to make us think that our rights are being advanced and protected. Things to make people whinge about feminists and give MRAs ammunition.

When in reality, the statistics don't lie.
Women are the most oppressed group of people on earth, which is quite an achievement for men considering we make up over 50% of the population.

They have spent the entirety of history systematically working on ways to keep us down and under their control. The fight isn't over just because we can vote now, not by a long shot.

Yep, it's satire. I'm sorry you misunderstood.

You know, it's possible to be a feminist and have a wry, unserious and impish sense of humour that focuses on women and the real (not imagined) experience of women and girls, including their foibles.

By avoiding humour by feminists focused on the total experience of women and girls, including wry 'in group' observations, some people risk doing the work of the very patriarchy that they strive to resist.

See work by Janet Bing etc. (reliable source).

Sexist, and statistically speaking males are far more likely to be victims of assault (and of course perpetrators, most violent crime is male on male).

I don't avoid humour.

Yours just didn't come accross as you intended, which is evident in people misunderstanding.

One of your "foibles" to watch out for may be a superiority complex around your humour and the misguided belief that if people don't understand or appreciate it then they must be the problem.

I don't believe I descended into personal insult but, hey, as a dyed-in-the-wool 1980s feminist I'm quite thick-skinned and comfortable wearing the longer pants as needs be.

Enjoy your evening when it comes

Womens Refuges ask women with sons above age 14 to move out of the refuge or move to flats the refuge oversees.

No it has not gone too far.
are women being paid equally? No
are women doing all the invisible (and visible) labour? Yes
are women and girls routinely murdered/assaulted by men and boys? Yes
I could go on
come back to tell me it’s gone too far when all this shit has l stopped

There is obviously a shortage of housing for single women and single women.em with children.
Personally I think it is much needed these days.

I rent from this landlord. Sons don't move out at 18 they stay as long as they want. Most of the organisation's contractors are men and so are several staff, many of whom come into women's homes to check gas, smoke alarms and electricity, and can enter the buildings' hallways with keys without notice. Men who live with women can inherit the tenancy if we die; several have. The current narrative about being for vulnerable women is irritating as f*ck because it was an Edwardian feminist project set up for independent single women to work and live safely and well in London. Being characterised by the more recent employees as their rescued beneficiaries is very galling.

Owned by a private company, their rules and actually a great idea. Lots of those things to consider of course, clauses that male children can stay until a certain age will be difficult.

Yes - just you

This is not OK, unless they do the same for men, a male block

😩😩 WON'T SOMEONE FINK OF THE MENZZZ!!

@Iceboy80 why don't men arrange building one just for them, if it's needed? Who is it that males need a safe area from?

I really hate the idea. Not because I hate the idea of female-only accommodation... because this has been publicised so much. It's giving violent, hateful men an X marks the spot of where to find their victims.

You wouldn't write an article about where the next women's refuge was being built...

A performative and logistically unworkable gimmick is going to do fuck all to combat the problem of VAWG. It'd be interesting as an undergrad thought experiment but it's unserious to be debating it as an actual solution (and also mischaracterises what it actually is in real life).

Unfortunate that it’s needed and unfortunately, unworkable.

This isn’t what it first appeared, there’s no bar on men living there for starters. With the planned policies as stated in the media it appears discriminatory in initial tenancy but then not sticking to it, plus bar women with older male children has been reported. I support same sex spaces but this isn’t, it’s a weird hybrid

Exactly this. Women (almost all women anyway) just want men to behave, not to erase them from our lives entirely.

Sounds to me like it would only work if all the women remained single and child free forever. No male visits ever. Not just romantic partners, but brothers, friends, nephews, sons, dads....completely unworkable.

Though the "what about the poor men" chorus totally fails to realise that if men did the same for men (go on then, if you want to), they would still be at risk of violence and assault. Because it's men doing the violent assaults. Like, duh.

Edited for typo

This one's not going to end well.

Great idea. A few possible issues as pp described.

Handing down tenancies to male partners or children would be easy to prevent. Passing down tenancies isn’t allowed in many areas anyway. A work colleague of mine died a few years ago, she lived in a council house with her adult son. He was given 3 weeks to leave after she died, he was only 19.

It would be very difficult to stop women having male partners to stay over, so any potential tenants would need to be aware that men would still be in the building.

There would have to be an understanding that male children could continue to live there after hitting puberty or whenever, or found alternative accommodation. They should not be faced with homelessness.

I’d be concerned that unscrupulous men would target women living there knowing there are very few men in the building / that the building houses predominantly women living on their own / women with children. Does it actually make these women more vulnerable?

So the idea could work, with caveats.

@cadburyegg the website says boyfriends are allowed to be moved in, and transwomen (biological males) are allowed.
So the 'women only' is a lie, just for a marketing gimmick.

There's simlar in my area. They seem pretty pointless. From my understanding the woman is the one on the tenancy. She can meet someone have a partner live with her. But he can't ever go on the tenancy and wont ever have any rights to stay in the home if there was a relationship breakdown.

Why? Are men incapable of doing it for themselves?

It's a load of bollocks anyway, its not female only