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Why is it fair that Scottish carers get more carers allowance than English carers?

161 replies

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 10:09

With the carers supplement they get twice a year, it boils down to just over £11 a week more than English carers. They're all doing the same old slog, so why is it fair.
I am caring for 2 people, it is hard going. I only get carers for 1 though as that is how the system works. Ive just found out that Scottish carers get a supplement twice a year, lucky ducks. Well sort of, better than nowt.
So my question is, why? I thought we were one nation. Am I being unreasonable here.

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Chemenger · 18/06/2025 11:16

Do you think it’s fair that Scottish people pay more income tax, OP?

NoSoapJustUseShowerGel · 18/06/2025 11:17

Sofiewoo · 18/06/2025 11:14

I would expect you to know why policy is different- because you’re in a different country.
England making up the majority of the population of the UK is really no excuse for English centric ignorance where you literally think every country is the same as England.
PP are right, it’s like wondering why policy is different in France.

I DO know that they do various things differently because of devolution. I don’t know the details, because I have no need to, just as I don’t need to know how things work in France.

GuevarasBeret · 18/06/2025 11:18

It’s called democracy, political parties made manifesto promises and the electorate voted for it.

Sofiewoo · 18/06/2025 11:19

NoSoapJustUseShowerGel · 18/06/2025 11:17

I DO know that they do various things differently because of devolution. I don’t know the details, because I have no need to, just as I don’t need to know how things work in France.

Edited

Literally no one said you need to but you were arguing with someone who found the “I thought we were one nation” comment ridiculous.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/06/2025 11:19

You’re asking the wrong question. You ought to be asking why does the English government not pay a more reasonable carers allowance?
(Though the amount in Scotland is still insufficient.)

Toastandbutterand · 18/06/2025 11:22

Computersaysdontwantto · 18/06/2025 10:59

Do you think Carers allowance should be at minimum wage? Because that would bankrupt the country instantly.

Then we should pay more taxes.

If someone is doing a job they should be paid for it fairly. If that involves someone that getting paid more than average, having to pay more taxes, so be it.

Otherwise you are reducing society to serfs and masters.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 18/06/2025 11:25

Computersaysdontwantto · 18/06/2025 10:59

Do you think Carers allowance should be at minimum wage? Because that would bankrupt the country instantly.

So would carers saying they won't do it and leaving the state to pick up the mess. What is your solution?

Laura36TTC · 18/06/2025 11:29

The Scottish basic tax rate is higher

Parents in Scotland do not get free nursery hours until their child is 3 compared to 9 months in England. This is working out as £12,500 for me for me to pay than if I lived in England (my child only goes to nursery 2 days a week)

Not saying any of this is ok, I’m just highlighting there are a lot of discrepancies between Scotland and England (unsure of NI and Wales)

SusanChurchouse · 18/06/2025 12:04

NoSoapJustUseShowerGel · 18/06/2025 11:07

“The lack of knowledge about this across the rest of the UK is odd.”

I’m English, I know about the Scottish devolved government and that they have some different policies, taxes, university fees etc. But it’s 8% of the UK population, I don’t live there and it doesn’t affect me. Why do you expect me to know the details?

No, I don’t expect people to know the full details of the devolution settlement but after over 25 years I’d hope the answer to ‘why is it different in Scotland?’ would be obvious.

IDontHateRainbows · 18/06/2025 12:05

Why is it fair that we have a welfare state and many third world countries do not?

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 18/06/2025 12:20

In Scotland, water isn't free but included in the annual bill from local authority when working out council tax. It's still a better system than meters and privately owned water companies.
Devolution is your answer, OP, as many have said.

NImumconfused · 18/06/2025 12:29

Why is it fair parents in Northern Ireland get much less help with childcare costs that the rest of the UK? Or students here have access to much lower maintenance loans?

Devolved governments decide their own priorities.

OldMcDonaldHadABigMac · 18/06/2025 12:40

Computersaysdontwantto · 18/06/2025 10:31

Scotland gets £2,000 more per hear a year to spend than it raises in taxes thanks to the Barnett formula. Instead of improving public services with this money it chooses to give this money away in benefits and ‘free’ things. Prescriptions, baby boxes, university tuition, much higher pip equivalent, no bedroom tax etc. they keep getting voted in by people living off benefits, public services keep getting worse, income tax on those earning more than the average wage keeps going up.

Its the way the SNP thinks a country should be run.

What's the higher pip equivalent?

outdooryone · 18/06/2025 12:40

Another one who says 'we are a union of four nations, not one'. It is amazing how many English people do not understand this fact. I work in all four nations, and it is only England folk who do not get this personally or professionally.

And I pay nearly £2k more income tax than if I lived south of the border - but enjoy the many benefits that brings by living up here, from free prescriptions, to different benefit systems and levels, or my children's free university tuition.

You are right to be upset that a carers allowance is lower where you are, and I am of the view it is not high enough in any of our four nations.

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 12:41

I didn't mean one nation, ignore that, i meant, United Kingdom.

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Itsnearlyxmas · 18/06/2025 12:46

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 12:41

I didn't mean one nation, ignore that, i meant, United Kingdom.

Scotland is still a different country

Woshah · 18/06/2025 12:47

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 12:41

I didn't mean one nation, ignore that, i meant, United Kingdom.

England holds the voting block of the UK, if england wants certain things, they need to vote for parties that offer that or new parties need to spring up to fill a gap if there is one.

Workisntworking · 18/06/2025 12:48

People in the UK generally want decisions made at a local level. They think local politicians and/or administrators know their community better. That could be tuition costs, availability of particular treatments in an NHS trust or number of recycling bins from the council.

The same people do not particularly like the so called postcode lottery, especially when someone over the road/hill/valley gets more of something. They don't notice when the person over the road/hill/valley gets less of something else or pays more income tax to make the budget balance.

TigerIamNot · 18/06/2025 12:49

carers allowance is in any case (even Scotland) and abysmal amount considering the hours of care must be provided. I think your anger is misplaced but it's only gonna get worse with a lot of people likely to lose PIP and the carers losing carers allowance as a result. I paid carers are treated like the lowest of the lowest in this country.

JockTamsonsBairns · 18/06/2025 12:52

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 12:41

I didn't mean one nation, ignore that, i meant, United Kingdom.

But, the United Kingdom doesn't have one government?

Sofiewoo · 18/06/2025 12:57

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 12:41

I didn't mean one nation, ignore that, i meant, United Kingdom.

That doesn’t make any more sense. The United Kingdom is made up of 4 largely self governing states.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 18/06/2025 12:58

englishandelegant · 18/06/2025 10:22

We are not one nation, we are four separate nations who combine for various political matters.
It could be as simple as England is a bigger nation and therefore it would be more expensive to pay all English carers that amount, whereas Scotland is smaller and has fewer people overall. Or it could be Scottish govt decision on how they allocate funds for different things. I agree it seems unfair in some ways but there are also various other things Scotland do that I feel are better- free prescriptions, free bus travel for under 21s, no separate water bill etc. But they are a separate nation, there’ll be other things England do differently too.

Free prescriptions for all are a fuckin disgrace.
This is not something I am proud of being Scottish.

Sofiewoo · 18/06/2025 13:04

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 18/06/2025 12:58

Free prescriptions for all are a fuckin disgrace.
This is not something I am proud of being Scottish.

Scotland isn’t the only place to have free prescriptions.
I’m glad NI does, why should people with chronic illnesses pay more for a supposedly free at the point of use healthcare system?The number of protected conditions with free prescriptions is tiny and extremely dated. When I lived in England, having to pay for regular asthma medication which was chronic, life long and lift threatening was ridiculous.

whitewineandsun · 18/06/2025 13:05

It's a different country! That's why.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 18/06/2025 13:07

Computersaysdontwantto · 18/06/2025 10:31

Scotland gets £2,000 more per hear a year to spend than it raises in taxes thanks to the Barnett formula. Instead of improving public services with this money it chooses to give this money away in benefits and ‘free’ things. Prescriptions, baby boxes, university tuition, much higher pip equivalent, no bedroom tax etc. they keep getting voted in by people living off benefits, public services keep getting worse, income tax on those earning more than the average wage keeps going up.

Its the way the SNP thinks a country should be run.

Well their shitty ship is sinking. They have let the people of Scotland down for too long.
People on a huge salary should not be getting free prescriptions when this money could be spent on much better things (exhaustive list).
But then all the SNP care about are getting votes from stupid people.