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To think one night stands are as bad as affairs?

89 replies

MelBrookesMyHero · 15/06/2025 09:14

I should say that I’m not a Mum, but a Dad, so I’m sorry if it’s not really a ‘Mumsnet’ issue. I’ve come on here because I haven’t got any male friends or family I could share with, at least not without never ending humiliation, and I suspect my OH is on MN and might read this.

My OH confessed to a one night stand a few weeks ago. I literally cannot function since. I love and adore her, despite this. 15 years together, two kids, shared mortgage and all the rest of it. Without going into too much detail it turns out to be at least the third time in the last 5 years, entirely unknown to me. I had no idea at all, never suspected a thing, trusted her 100% until now. But now I feel completely stupid, all the clues were there and I just accepted every bullshit excuse as gospel.

I’m not looking for sympathy, shit happens and I want to deal with it, but where do I start? She says she loves me and wants to stay together, but I’m not functioning. I can’t think straight. I’m trying to act normal in front of the kids, while OH is blithely going about life as usual, she’s even managed to secure promotion at work which will bring with it more travel, and has asked if I would be okay with her going abroad for a weekend to her work friend’s wedding without me (apparently there's no 'plus one' on the invite).

The details (that I know of so far), are sordid and grubby. Her reasons/excuse(s) include that it’s when she’s been out for drinks with work or friends, usually (but not every time), when one or the other of us has been away with work; that I’m at least partly at fault for neglecting her needs, that we never said we were exclusive at the start (although she does accept at some point that we could reasonably have expected we’d become exclusive), and the best of all – that at least this was not an affair, these were just meaningless ONS’s!

AIBU to think there’s no difference, in fact it feels considerably more insulting and hurtful.

OP posts:
hyggetyggedotorg · 15/06/2025 13:40

For me, personally, a ONS with a stranger is not quite as hurtful as an affair as there’s not the same level of emotion involved. It is undoubtedly still cheating though & it’s totally up to you to decide whether you can move past that or not.

”Never said we were exclusive” after 15 years & 2 DCs is a stupid thing to say. Having a conversation about “being exclusive” is a much more recent thing - same as asking someone to be your boyfriend/girlfriend. 15 years ago, if you were dating someone who you then bought a house with & had children with it went without saying that exclusivity was expected unless agreed otherwise!

Lokit · 15/06/2025 13:46

She thinks having no emotional connection to the people she's sportfucking makes it ok, because she always comes home to you after having meaningless sex with randoms. That is a very maladapted, toxic viewpoint to hold.

It hurts you so horribly because she's prepared to risk your relationship & your health (STI risk) for something so utterly meaningless & not just once but every chance she gets, by the sound of it.

When people fall in love with someone else there's a more compelling reason for the cheating - though that of course hurts horribly in a different way, as someone else has taken your place in your partner's heart. It's also much more threatening because there's a high likelihood they'll leave. And it's threatening personally because there can be the belief that the person you loved has found someone 'better'. The AP is not 'better' at all, but it can feel that way if we're prone to self judging, especially if the cheating partner criticises & devalues the one they're cheating on in some manipulative, twisted attempt at justification.

On that note, you're seeing the manipulative, twisted justification yourself. She's trying to make her disgusting behaviour your fault. It's not. If she needed something from you that she wasn't getting, she should have approached you about it. If all attempts to work it out TOGETHER (including engaging in therapy if necessary) fail, then the discussion & decision can begin as to whether it's something that can be lived without (compromise is a feature in all relationships) & if not, if it's better to find some way around it or to separate - all mutually & respectfully discussed & established. Running around fucking other people behind a partner's back is NEVER the person being cheated on's fault.

When values don't align, it's a recipe for disaster in any relationship - be it as partners, friends, or colleagues.

You hold the value of loyalty. She doesn't.

You have the value of honesty. She doesn't.

You hold the value of respect. She doesn't.

You hold the value of cherishing your partner. She doesn't.

What other values do you have that she doesn't? And does she have any that you don't have? I suspect not. Having values & holding yourself to them makes you a person of integrity & it doesn't sound like she has much of that going on.

What has been the catalyst for her telling you? If she's confessed despite you not having a clue, perhaps she's wising up. Then again perhaps someone has threatened to tell you. That can often be the catalyst for sudden revelations of honesty & unfortunately if the one threatening doesn't speak up, you're unlikely to ever know this was the cause of the truth getting spilt - the cheater gets the credit for honesty where actually no credit is due.

Also potentially relevant: how old is she? The prefrontal cortex (seat of empathy, values, planning, responsibility) keeps growing & developing until we're around 25 but I've seen it take people (even women, in whom it generally develops a little faster) until around 30 years of age to realise what selfish, impulsive twats they're being & genuinely settle down in a relationship. Caveat: for some that growth & development never happens. The PFC remains stunted & undeveloped forever in those who fall into the narcissistic category of personality disorders. If she's mid twenties to very early thirties it's possible she's wising up to her disgusting behaviour & does genuinely want to change.

However her job, lifestyle & the habits she's got into would make that very difficult. She'll still be travelling to hotels & getting pissed with her colleagues (& I assume clients). I worked for a film/tv programming sales company for a while & travelled to a few of the international trade events. The events were always held in conference centres in party towns. New Orleans, Monte Carlo, etc because partying hard in the evening was part of the job. The hooking up that went on was regarded as normal & for some it was also part of the job. But so many do it randomly & some others had a regular affair partner working at another sales company or TV network that they'd always hook up with at events.

cardboardvillage · 15/06/2025 13:50

You never said you were exclusive? That’s harsh. She sounds awful

Funnyduck60 · 15/06/2025 15:17

Sorry but you need to split up. It's almost impossible to come back from this. She lacks respect for you and your family unit. I suspect she needs some help as this behaviour isn't really normal in her circumstances. You sound lovely and deserve so much better than this. I wish you well and you really need some support yourself.

BrickHare · 15/06/2025 15:24

ONS are fine however if you’re married it’s still cheating. Why don’t you have any male friends you can speak too? That’s concerning as you’re going to need support. Lose the “it’ll end in humiliation” mantra.

sueelleker · 15/06/2025 15:33

YANBU. She doesn't even have the excuse that she fell in love with the other person.

Willyoushutthefrontdoor · 15/06/2025 15:41

Naive maybe, but I've never really understood people having a ONS while in a long term relationship if it is just literally for sex. For me sex is 100% better with an emotional connection...which is why an affair is probably worse. That's not to say i feel one is worse than the other. One is emotional and that hurts a lot. The other is meaningless and for someone to throw away their life for it also hurts a lot. Either is a hard no for me. And my husband knows it. He would be out the door for one ONS in my life. No ifs. No buts. But 3? Bin the cold hearted cow, find your worth and heal would be my advice.

PlainJaneBrain · 17/06/2025 15:29

I’m probably breaking with the trend here, and appreciate most people won’t concur with me. I will hold my hands first and say I was the unfaithful one in my (now ended) relationship with my ex OH. I’m not leaping to the defence of your OH, but maybe my experience might ameliorate your feelings a little.

I can’t fully explain why I was unfaithful, or why your OH was unfaithful. But I want to say it has absolutely nothing to do with my OH being inadequate, doing anything wrong, suddenly becoming unattractive or being a failure in any way, and I suspect it’s the same for you and your OH.

I’ve tried many times to explain it to myself and to my ex OH, and to lots of counsellors over the years always without any satisfaction – I still don’t know why I did it!!!. But perhaps if I explain the backdrop there might be some common clues.

So, I was with DH for 26-27 years. We were both pretty young (he about 5 years older), neither of us very experienced and we threw ourselves head first, fully into our relationship, living together almost from the start. Some years in and our respective lives had changed dramatically, different careers, different ambitions, both grown up a bit, different friendship groups, changing interests etc, we even started to look different than we did when we met.

With those changes, which included, like they have for you, a lot of overnight stays away and travel with work, and even vacations with our respective friends, hen do’s, stag do’s etc. So with those changes often came the means and opportunity.

I won’t say that I ever felt neglected, but certainly there was a time when I became less of a priority for my (ex) OH (and probably him for me). I always felt like the ugly ducking at school, the ‘not cool’, geeky girl, at college and even at uni. I didn’t have the experiences other girls had, and coming from a rural area there was probably less opportunities for meeting people. When I moved to a vibrant city for Uni (where toward the end I met my ex OH), life looked very different to me. And as I went from Uni to work I grew into my career, and he into his. Suddenly, I was getting a lot of attention from men of the type that usually gave the cooler girls the type of attention I envied.

So quite a few years later, along with the means and the opportunities, came the temptation, especially under the influence of drink and when either one of us was away. A lot of flattery. The combination of means, opportunity, drink and now temptation was pretty overwhelming and eventually I gave in to it. Initial overwhelming feelings of guilt eventually gave way to feeling he hadn’t noticed because he didn’t care, and then came the feeling that I’d got away with it, and so it happened again.

I would add somewhere in there hormones had their part to play as well, I was in my twenties, approaching 30, OH a little older and conversations about kids weren’t particularly forthcoming.

Some years later, partly in the mistaken belief he might have suspected, a bit out of guilt, to stop me doing it again, and I suppose partly in an attempt to reset the relationship, I confessed.

I wasn’t prepared for his reaction and at the time I really didn’t appreciate the impact it had on him. I’d never in all of our years before or since seen him cry (even following the deaths of those closest to him that he cared for with the most incredible tenderness). But he initially sobbed and sobbed, which breaks my heart when I think back.

But then life changed dramatically, we went through a lot of counselling, and somehow moved on and settled down with lives seemingly devoted to each other and the family we went on to have, love and cherish together. While on the surface things were good, underneath, it was never resolved for him. We eventually split in early 2023, more years than I care to mention since my infidelity and my confession.

We live apart now but we’re very close (according to Google Maps we live 640m apart). The most honest, truthful and candid conversations we’ve had about it have been since we split. We holiday together with our (pretty grown up) kids, and we often travel together and go out together, even cook for each other (more him for me TBH), and look after each other.

But I have lost the most amazing person, a truly wonderful man and a life I wish I could have had with him. We both grieve every day and I know it’s my fault. I suspect your OH might feel the same, and that’s why she’s told you. I can honestly say my ONS’s were ‘meaningless’ in every sense of the word, not a hint of emotion, just a meaningless and misconceived sense of ‘validation’ that I fully regret. I can’t imagine an affair would have been so meaningless. Nevertheless, both are equally devastating and wrong.

I’ve discussed your post with my ex, and asked how things might have been different between us. His answer to that was firstly he wishes he hadn’t concealed the ongoing hurt and devastation shortly after my confession, he wished he’d shown his emotions more. On the outside he was coping, I wasn’t really ‘showing’ any remorse, even though I felt it, I didn’t show him because I thought it would just rake up bad feelings and upset. So that appeared to him like I didn’t care. I bet your OH is the same. Where you say she’s ‘blithely’ going about her business, that was me. But on the inside, I just wanted to make everything right for him, I couldn’t see much wrong with him to make right. In hindsight, I wished it was me that frequently asked if he was okay or wanted to talk about it. Instead, I avoided it, and waited for him to raise it, which was usually at a time he'd bottled it all up and we couldn't talk rationally and I'd get defensive.

What I will say is don’t leave it for any amount of time. Discuss it now, not in years down the line.

Don’t be harsh, on either of you. We’re all human, and I can bet there’s a significant number that have posted on here are not really able to cast the first stone. Separate if you must, but it’s not inevitable.

MelBrookesMyHero · 18/06/2025 19:36

PlainJaneBrain · 17/06/2025 15:29

I’m probably breaking with the trend here, and appreciate most people won’t concur with me. I will hold my hands first and say I was the unfaithful one in my (now ended) relationship with my ex OH. I’m not leaping to the defence of your OH, but maybe my experience might ameliorate your feelings a little.

I can’t fully explain why I was unfaithful, or why your OH was unfaithful. But I want to say it has absolutely nothing to do with my OH being inadequate, doing anything wrong, suddenly becoming unattractive or being a failure in any way, and I suspect it’s the same for you and your OH.

I’ve tried many times to explain it to myself and to my ex OH, and to lots of counsellors over the years always without any satisfaction – I still don’t know why I did it!!!. But perhaps if I explain the backdrop there might be some common clues.

So, I was with DH for 26-27 years. We were both pretty young (he about 5 years older), neither of us very experienced and we threw ourselves head first, fully into our relationship, living together almost from the start. Some years in and our respective lives had changed dramatically, different careers, different ambitions, both grown up a bit, different friendship groups, changing interests etc, we even started to look different than we did when we met.

With those changes, which included, like they have for you, a lot of overnight stays away and travel with work, and even vacations with our respective friends, hen do’s, stag do’s etc. So with those changes often came the means and opportunity.

I won’t say that I ever felt neglected, but certainly there was a time when I became less of a priority for my (ex) OH (and probably him for me). I always felt like the ugly ducking at school, the ‘not cool’, geeky girl, at college and even at uni. I didn’t have the experiences other girls had, and coming from a rural area there was probably less opportunities for meeting people. When I moved to a vibrant city for Uni (where toward the end I met my ex OH), life looked very different to me. And as I went from Uni to work I grew into my career, and he into his. Suddenly, I was getting a lot of attention from men of the type that usually gave the cooler girls the type of attention I envied.

So quite a few years later, along with the means and the opportunities, came the temptation, especially under the influence of drink and when either one of us was away. A lot of flattery. The combination of means, opportunity, drink and now temptation was pretty overwhelming and eventually I gave in to it. Initial overwhelming feelings of guilt eventually gave way to feeling he hadn’t noticed because he didn’t care, and then came the feeling that I’d got away with it, and so it happened again.

I would add somewhere in there hormones had their part to play as well, I was in my twenties, approaching 30, OH a little older and conversations about kids weren’t particularly forthcoming.

Some years later, partly in the mistaken belief he might have suspected, a bit out of guilt, to stop me doing it again, and I suppose partly in an attempt to reset the relationship, I confessed.

I wasn’t prepared for his reaction and at the time I really didn’t appreciate the impact it had on him. I’d never in all of our years before or since seen him cry (even following the deaths of those closest to him that he cared for with the most incredible tenderness). But he initially sobbed and sobbed, which breaks my heart when I think back.

But then life changed dramatically, we went through a lot of counselling, and somehow moved on and settled down with lives seemingly devoted to each other and the family we went on to have, love and cherish together. While on the surface things were good, underneath, it was never resolved for him. We eventually split in early 2023, more years than I care to mention since my infidelity and my confession.

We live apart now but we’re very close (according to Google Maps we live 640m apart). The most honest, truthful and candid conversations we’ve had about it have been since we split. We holiday together with our (pretty grown up) kids, and we often travel together and go out together, even cook for each other (more him for me TBH), and look after each other.

But I have lost the most amazing person, a truly wonderful man and a life I wish I could have had with him. We both grieve every day and I know it’s my fault. I suspect your OH might feel the same, and that’s why she’s told you. I can honestly say my ONS’s were ‘meaningless’ in every sense of the word, not a hint of emotion, just a meaningless and misconceived sense of ‘validation’ that I fully regret. I can’t imagine an affair would have been so meaningless. Nevertheless, both are equally devastating and wrong.

I’ve discussed your post with my ex, and asked how things might have been different between us. His answer to that was firstly he wishes he hadn’t concealed the ongoing hurt and devastation shortly after my confession, he wished he’d shown his emotions more. On the outside he was coping, I wasn’t really ‘showing’ any remorse, even though I felt it, I didn’t show him because I thought it would just rake up bad feelings and upset. So that appeared to him like I didn’t care. I bet your OH is the same. Where you say she’s ‘blithely’ going about her business, that was me. But on the inside, I just wanted to make everything right for him, I couldn’t see much wrong with him to make right. In hindsight, I wished it was me that frequently asked if he was okay or wanted to talk about it. Instead, I avoided it, and waited for him to raise it, which was usually at a time he'd bottled it all up and we couldn't talk rationally and I'd get defensive.

What I will say is don’t leave it for any amount of time. Discuss it now, not in years down the line.

Don’t be harsh, on either of you. We’re all human, and I can bet there’s a significant number that have posted on here are not really able to cast the first stone. Separate if you must, but it’s not inevitable.

Thanks for all the posts, quite taken aback by how many. This one caught my eye though cos there are some similarities. I'm still struggling to process it all, life turned upside down all of a sudden. I just don't know what to do or say or where to start. It's over 4 weeks now since she told me and we still haven't talked about it in any detail.

I can't think about separating, I can't imagine us all not living in the same house and there's practical and financial reasons why I can't think about it too (I run my business from home among other things).

My imagination is running wild as well. I'm constantly trying to figure who, when and where, putting 2+2 together and sometimes getting 5, sometimes quite sure it's 4. Looking back at the dates she's been away, or stayed out, I'm also convinced she had someone here in our house at one point.

She tells me she's "so sorry" and even asked me to get married an try and put it behind us, but I think WTF!

I feel utterly ridiculous, humiliated, inadequate, stupid. The grubby detail, it makes my stomach turn to think of her wanting that over coming home to me.

I'm trying to act normal at home but it gets harder every day that we don't get to talk about it. If she tells me one more time that she can't remember or that she was drunk I don't know how I'll react. I've been drunk before believe it or not, but quite sure I'd remember if I'd slept with someone or woken up somwhere I shouldn't have!

I can't eat, lost weight (bonus), struggling to talk to every day people, e.g. work etc.

In answer to some of the posts on here:

  1. The kids are definitely mine.
  2. Yes I made us both go for a check up, all clear but got to go back again after 12 weeks to be sure.
  3. I don't want to separate, bin her off, sack her or whatever. More than anything I want to know why? What have I done/not done? What have I become?

What I'm struggling with is how do I start the conversation? I'm at a total loss. What do we tell the kids?

I've booked myself into a hotel for the weekend and told them I'm away for work. I just need thinking time.

Anyway, thanks for listening/reading and for the replies. I've still not told a soul yet. My Mum in her 90's keeps asking if I'm okay, I so want to say no, she loves my OH too and would be devastated if she knew.

OP posts:
Vibgyor · 19/06/2025 06:49

Op I’m glad you have booked yourself into a hotel. You need to give yourself some time away from your partner.

You don’t need to rush any decision but I do think at some stage you will need to know the details in order to make a decision. If she is unwilling to share them then that is not acceptable- anything other than full transparency from her means the relationship is doomed.

You may say you don’t want to know but this will eat away at you eventually. If there is a chance at the marriage working I think you need everything laid out and then you will need time plus a huge effort from her to make you feel cherished and adored and to demonstrate she can now be trusted.

SonofDeva · 25/06/2025 15:31

I'm so sorry to hear what you are going. Whilst all the posts have been supportive, I really think you need to speak to someone. Believe me, it is far better to talk to someone f2f, as it will help you in unloading everything that has been building up inside you.

Do you have a friend who you can confide in? As this might help you in putting things into perspective:

I hate to say this but your OH,still has all the cards: She still has her friends, who most probably are aware of her ONS's, / got promoted / still has her family

If you haven't already arrange a time when the two of you are at home and talk to your OH, of how you feel and being repeatedly betrayed. Then tell you are going to separate. And that will be the killer blow, as this would impact on her work, in terms of childcare impacting on her travelling abroad.

Take care and good luck

normalisnotme · 25/06/2025 15:58

I have ons because i dont want a full on man around me i love being single.
I have a lot of ons on holidays and at home no plans to stop either.
Have i been with married men or women (im bi) i dont know as i dont ask we have a good time and thats that get on with life get on to the next when i want more.
The difference is im single and childless.

Eldermileniummam · 25/06/2025 16:00

One time and I'd understand you forgiving there but three times?! She will keep doing it and making excuses if you let her.

pointythings · 25/06/2025 16:02

It's cheating. Cheating is not acceptable in a relationship. Tell her it's over.

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