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peanutbuttertoasty · 15/06/2025 23:43

cumbriaisbest · 14/06/2025 21:10

Pointless. Pandering to the racists.

Nazir Afsal said it will retraumatise survivors.

Well that sounds mighty convenient! 😑

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 05:32

@Fetaface As indicated in the article, they're using different sources of data including data from the HO. Could you please link to the data you're talking about? Thanks

OpheliaWasntMad · 16/06/2025 09:20

Whatever are views about the factors that caused this horrific scandal the poll is looking pretty conclusive- the vast majority clearly think the national enquiry into the grooming gangs is needed. Hopefully it will identify what needs to be done to ensure vulnerable children are protected in the future.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 09:23

OpheliaWasntMad · 16/06/2025 09:20

Whatever are views about the factors that caused this horrific scandal the poll is looking pretty conclusive- the vast majority clearly think the national enquiry into the grooming gangs is needed. Hopefully it will identify what needs to be done to ensure vulnerable children are protected in the future.

That was done with the Jay report, she made 20 recommendations in order to prevent CSA.

OpheliaWasntMad · 16/06/2025 09:28

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 09:23

That was done with the Jay report, she made 20 recommendations in order to prevent CSA.

The Jay report focused on one area.
Maybe we need a national report to look at the wider picture.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 09:33

OpheliaWasntMad · 16/06/2025 09:28

The Jay report focused on one area.
Maybe we need a national report to look at the wider picture.

And notably, Jay said that the scope and breadth of their work was limited and not sufficient. This was the conclusion of Baroness Casey too.

But an internet random seems to feel better placed to answer the question and need.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 09:37

OpheliaWasntMad · 16/06/2025 09:28

The Jay report focused on one area.
Maybe we need a national report to look at the wider picture.

I belive she looked at several areas and came up with recommendations in order to combat all CSA. For example mandatory reporting. Making it a criminal offence not to report child abuse or to cover up abuse. To produce better data and create a single core set of figures covering the age, sex and ethnicity of victims and perpetrators, the places in which abuse happens, and the factors that make children vulnerable. And setting up a new child protection authority including a cabinet minister for children amongst others.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/06/2025 09:40

The piece you asked for is here, @MiloMinderbinder925 - hope the archive link works: https://archive.md/ss4IS

Important to remember there are caveats even with this though, related to the usual mares nest of data gathering

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 09:43

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 09:37

I belive she looked at several areas and came up with recommendations in order to combat all CSA. For example mandatory reporting. Making it a criminal offence not to report child abuse or to cover up abuse. To produce better data and create a single core set of figures covering the age, sex and ethnicity of victims and perpetrators, the places in which abuse happens, and the factors that make children vulnerable. And setting up a new child protection authority including a cabinet minister for children amongst others.

The Jay report was called, "Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham (1997–2013)"

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 16/06/2025 09:43

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 14/06/2025 21:12

Waste of time and money.
Grenfell
Hillsborough
Blood scandal
Post office scandal

every single enquiry is pointless- no one is every held to account, they cost millions. We all know how grooming gangs came about, we all know the cultural coverup and motivations that allowed it to happen.

This. The only people who really seem to benefit from these enquiries that take years, are the lawyers, who rake in their millions.

You wouldn't mind if anyone was ever really held to account by the end of them - sacked and deprived of their whacking great severance payment, let alone actually banged up.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 09:49

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 09:43

The Jay report was called, "Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham (1997–2013)"

I'm talking about The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) published in October 2022.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 09:53

Well then from the total report, about 200 pages only a handful cover this type of sexual violence against children.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:02

Survivors said the report was too cautious. Sarah Champion said it swept the ethnic dimension under the carpet. Andrew Norfolk said it shied away from uncomfortable truths. You can see what Maggie Oliver has to say about it on her own website
https://www.themaggieoliverfoundation.com/in-the-media/maggie-s-unredacted-statement-for-the-iicsa-report

Whosenameisthis · 16/06/2025 10:07

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 09:37

I belive she looked at several areas and came up with recommendations in order to combat all CSA. For example mandatory reporting. Making it a criminal offence not to report child abuse or to cover up abuse. To produce better data and create a single core set of figures covering the age, sex and ethnicity of victims and perpetrators, the places in which abuse happens, and the factors that make children vulnerable. And setting up a new child protection authority including a cabinet minister for children amongst others.

I am not sure about mandatory reporting.

a lot of advice now centres the victim. Whether they want to report. It’s about giving them back control and power of what happens, as well as respecting their privacy and whether they want to go through a court case and re live it all.

i recently found out about a historic csa case. Had I known at the time I would absolutely have reported it. Turns out everyone in the family knew, and responded from blind eye to enabling it. They were more worried about the consequences for the abuser than the victim.

i’m appalled. Absolutely horrified and no longer speak to any of them. Again I would report it, but the victim is now an adult and has expressly said she does not want to report it, it’s history and she wants to move on. The abuser is dead so no risk to others.

so I respect the victim’s choice. It’s her life and while I think she should report it still I agree it’s her decision and she needs to find a way to heal.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:10

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 09:53

Well then from the total report, about 200 pages only a handful cover this type of sexual violence against children.

Sorry, too late to edit...the report covered 3000 pages, and yet just a handful dedicated to the sexual violence of the grooming gangs.

OpheliaWasntMad · 16/06/2025 10:13

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:02

Survivors said the report was too cautious. Sarah Champion said it swept the ethnic dimension under the carpet. Andrew Norfolk said it shied away from uncomfortable truths. You can see what Maggie Oliver has to say about it on her own website
https://www.themaggieoliverfoundation.com/in-the-media/maggie-s-unredacted-statement-for-the-iicsa-report

👏👏👏

OpheliaWasntMad · 16/06/2025 10:17

I would rather trust survivors and Maggie Oliver on this than any politician ( or any random poster on Mumsnet)

ohdelay · 16/06/2025 10:17

This is needed to uncover the rapists support network in place at the time (probably all still happily in their jobs). Police officers, council members, social workers all need routing out and exposing. It's great they get the rapists but everyone who enabled them needs exposing too. If you .don't remove the roots it will happen again

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:30

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:10

Sorry, too late to edit...the report covered 3000 pages, and yet just a handful dedicated to the sexual violence of the grooming gangs.

Edited

These are the reports and investigations so far:

The Jay report on CSA in Rotherham.

Report into CSA In Oxfordshire.

Report on CSA in Manchester.

Report on Oldham.

Inquiry into CSA in Telford

Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA).

Which looked at 'organised networks' and featured 6 study areas: Bristol, Durham, St Helens, Swansea, Tower Hamlets and Warwickshire. It made 20 recommendations to tackle CSA.

Report into Rochdale.

Casey report and now a national inquiry.

Fetaface · 16/06/2025 10:32

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/06/2025 09:40

The piece you asked for is here, @MiloMinderbinder925 - hope the archive link works: https://archive.md/ss4IS

Important to remember there are caveats even with this though, related to the usual mares nest of data gathering

That was the data I read which was including all child sex abuse not just grooming and was changed to 13.7 because they removed certain groups like church and sports groups. It either needs to include all or just focus on grooming gangs which this isn't.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:32

Whosenameisthis · 16/06/2025 10:07

I am not sure about mandatory reporting.

a lot of advice now centres the victim. Whether they want to report. It’s about giving them back control and power of what happens, as well as respecting their privacy and whether they want to go through a court case and re live it all.

i recently found out about a historic csa case. Had I known at the time I would absolutely have reported it. Turns out everyone in the family knew, and responded from blind eye to enabling it. They were more worried about the consequences for the abuser than the victim.

i’m appalled. Absolutely horrified and no longer speak to any of them. Again I would report it, but the victim is now an adult and has expressly said she does not want to report it, it’s history and she wants to move on. The abuser is dead so no risk to others.

so I respect the victim’s choice. It’s her life and while I think she should report it still I agree it’s her decision and she needs to find a way to heal.

I'm 100% behind mandatory reporting and being prosecuted for covering up abuse.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:33

Yes, it is startling that a national inquiry with statutory powers has only been recommended now, don't you think? How utterly shameful after the decades of abuse, rape and violence up and down the entire land by these filthsome grooming gangs who were aided and abetted by utter cowards, and it is only now we can see what is to be revealed by compelled documentation and witnesses.

Fetaface · 16/06/2025 10:34

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 09:37

I belive she looked at several areas and came up with recommendations in order to combat all CSA. For example mandatory reporting. Making it a criminal offence not to report child abuse or to cover up abuse. To produce better data and create a single core set of figures covering the age, sex and ethnicity of victims and perpetrators, the places in which abuse happens, and the factors that make children vulnerable. And setting up a new child protection authority including a cabinet minister for children amongst others.

There is only one thing that makes children vulnerable. That is being in contact with or in the vicinity to a perpetrator. And then all children are all vulnerable.
Remove the perpetrator and no children are vulnerable.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:39

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/06/2025 09:40

The piece you asked for is here, @MiloMinderbinder925 - hope the archive link works: https://archive.md/ss4IS

Important to remember there are caveats even with this though, related to the usual mares nest of data gathering

Thanks. Yet again it seems to be flawed which is very frustrating:

Police chiefs stressed the breakdown was “limited” and had to be treated with caution as it only covered about a third of suspects because their ethnic background could only be recorded once they had been interviewed by police.

They said there was more research needed to understand why there was an apparent disproportionate number of Pakistanis linked to child grooming offences.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:42

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:33

Yes, it is startling that a national inquiry with statutory powers has only been recommended now, don't you think? How utterly shameful after the decades of abuse, rape and violence up and down the entire land by these filthsome grooming gangs who were aided and abetted by utter cowards, and it is only now we can see what is to be revealed by compelled documentation and witnesses.

Edited

What more do you expect to be revealed? There have consistently been reports and investigations for years. Do you expect names to be revealed of police and social workers who failed to protect these children?