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Watching Trooping of the Colour - AIBU to feel proud or is it an anachronistic, expensive waste of money?

271 replies

Isdinnerreadyyet · 14/06/2025 12:45

Been watching Trooping of the Colour. I just love the bands, the precision of the marching, the horses - all of it TBH. We do it better than anyone else IMO. Also good for tourism as many tourists come to the UK for the pageantry, palaces etc.

AIBU to feel proud?

Or is it an anachronistic, expensive waste of money?

OP posts:
Jojimoji · 14/06/2025 16:34

Barbadossunset · 14/06/2025 16:26

Talentless- enlighten me if I'm not correct.
Waster- check out just how many engagements a year he actually used to carry out.

I’m not sure what talents someone needs to be King - but he seems to carry out his duties satisfactorily and people seem pleased to see him at his functions.
I don’t think he’s a waster - I think he does then best he can in his role.

However I don’t think you were saying these things to be accurate - you wanted to be critical.
I could describe someone as fat and ugly which even if true would be a spiteful thing to say.

Yes I'm anti monarchy
Yes I wanted to be critical of the monarchy.
Yes I backed up my points.
I don't call that " spiteful"
I call it opinion.

However, responding to arguments calling people stupid and ignorant like CoffeeCantanta did could be perceived as being somewhat less than polite.

Jojimoji · 14/06/2025 16:37

Buxusmortus · 14/06/2025 16:34

All those posters arguing in favour of abolition of the monarchy, do you actually believe that being a republic gets rid of privilege, inherited wealth and some people being considered superior to others simply by dint of the family they happen to be born in?

In the European republics the old wealthy aristocratic families still remain.
Perhaps look at the USA and see what that's like at the moment. Would you seriously prefer that?

Of course not.
Abolition of the monarchy is not about definitively eradicating privilege or poverty, it's about ending the farce of the concept of " Royalty"

Barbadossunset · 14/06/2025 16:38

@jojimoji do you think it is spiteful to call someone fat or ugly or thick, even if it is what you beliver to be true?

What sort of comment would you describe as spiteful?

LadyRoughDiamond · 14/06/2025 16:40

SummerEve · 14/06/2025 16:07

Well, I am going to make the assumption then that all the people in favour of today’s display are also in favour of much more money being poured into defence of the UK ? I hope so.

Yes, I am.

Barbadossunset · 14/06/2025 16:40

However, responding to arguments calling people stupid and ignorant like CoffeeCantanta did could be perceived as being somewhat less than polite

Sorry, I didn’t read your post properly. If calling someone talentless and a waster is opinion, then presumably so is calling someone stupid and ignorant.

MasterBeth · 14/06/2025 16:42

LadyRoughDiamond · 14/06/2025 16:32

It’s an opportunity for the nation to recognise and, in this case, celebrate those that are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to protect our nation and way of life.

It’s fine not to understand this concept, after all it’s a complex set of ideas set around duty, sacrifice and responsibility. But don’t hide your ignorance behind misplaced statements about food banks and poverty.

That's Remembrance.

Trooping The Colour is a parade to celebrate the Birthday of the monarch.

Boomer55 · 14/06/2025 16:42

I think it’s irrelevant in a modern world, much like the royals. But I just ignore it all.

Superhansrantowindsor · 14/06/2025 16:47

I think it’s nice that the armed forces get to do a parade like this where they are treated with respect. They get treated appallingly the rest of the time. I like the tradition that TTC is to me - watched it as a child every year. I enjoy the bands and appreciate the precision and skill of all involved. I like the red arrows. But I am torn because a hereditary monarchy is a nonsense really. I admired the Queen greatly but it just isn’t the same anymore.

Meadowfinch · 14/06/2025 16:48

They estimate each Trooping the Colour brings £15 million in visitors pounds, going to airlines, airports, hospitality etc so I don't mind as long as it pays its way.

UK plc does pageantry well.

CurlewKate · 14/06/2025 16:50

Buxusmortus · 14/06/2025 16:34

All those posters arguing in favour of abolition of the monarchy, do you actually believe that being a republic gets rid of privilege, inherited wealth and some people being considered superior to others simply by dint of the family they happen to be born in?

In the European republics the old wealthy aristocratic families still remain.
Perhaps look at the USA and see what that's like at the moment. Would you seriously prefer that?

No-I don’t believe that at all. Is that what you think Republicans think?

Thedogscollar · 14/06/2025 16:51

InterestQ · 14/06/2025 14:40

I enjoy it - it’s not just about dresses and carriages - they’re our serving soldiers and they’re amazing at pageantry and clever formations as well as being good soldiers in the field. We’re so much better at this sort of thing than the French or Russians or anyone else.

Whoever runs our ceremonial stuff is brilliant at it. Watching the White House inauguration was toe curling by comparison. Stunted announcements, fucked up music, people not being sure where to sit.

Nothing wrong with us being good at this!

100% agree. Get used to it they won't stop it.

thiswilloutme · 14/06/2025 16:52

Tourism is a multi million pound business, especially in London, where I lived for over 20yrs, and all that pomp and dressing up is the kind of thing that makes tourists want to come.

Imagine London without tourism - how many tens of thousands of jobs would be lost?

I would be interested to see the actual figures - I asked ChatGTP what it thought... (I think the comparison with France is particularly interesting!)

I asked
"In a city like London, does the financial benefit from tourism outweigh the cost of putting on events like the trooping of the colour? i.e. is the cost of the monarchy worth it?"

ChatGPT said:
This is a complex question with political, economic, and cultural dimensions. Let's break it down:

1. Cost of the Monarchy (Including Events like Trooping the Colour)
The British monarchy is funded primarily through:

  • The Sovereign Grant: In 2023, this was around £86.3 million, covering the running costs of the royal household, travel, staff, and maintenance (notably Buckingham Palace renovations).
  • Security: Costs for policing and security (especially at public events like Trooping the Colour) are not included in the Sovereign Grant and are estimated to add tens of millions annually, although exact figures are rarely disclosed.
Trooping the Colour is a relatively minor slice of this total but still requires significant logistical and security support.

2. Financial Benefits from Tourism
Tourism is a major UK industry, and the monarchy plays a large symbolic and marketing role:

  • VisitBritain (the national tourism agency) consistently highlights the royal family as a top draw for international tourists.
  • According to a 2017 Brand Finance report:
  • The monarchy generated £550 million annually in tourism-related revenue (including visits to royal palaces, themed tours, merchandise, etc.).
  • Indirect brand value (like increased attention on British fashion, traditions, and culture) was estimated at £1.8 billion per year.

3. Event-Specific ROI (Return on Investment)
Events like Trooping the Colour:

  • Generate global media coverage, reinforcing the UK’s image and soft power.
  • Draw crowds into central London, increasing spending on transport, hospitality, food, and retail.
  • These events are often broadcast worldwide, with value not just in ticket sales but in visibility and cultural diplomacy.
Even if the cost of such an event is several million pounds, the media value alone (if purchased as advertising) could exceed that.

4. Criticisms and Alternative Views
Critics argue:

  • The monarchy is outdated and undemocratic.
  • The wealth and estates held by the royal family (e.g., the Duchy of Cornwall and Duchy of Lancaster) are substantial and not fully taxed.
  • Tourism would not drop significantly without a monarchy, as France (a republic) sees similar or greater tourist numbers, largely for its palaces and museums.
Conclusion Yes, the financial benefit from tourism and soft power broadly outweighs the direct cost of events like Trooping the Colour. However:
  • This doesn’t settle the ethical or political question of whether the monarchy is the best use of public resources or consistent with democratic principles.
  • A republic could potentially repurpose royal assets while still maintaining historical appeal (e.g., like Versailles in France).
So economically: Net positive. But socially and politically: Open to debate.
MasterBeth · 14/06/2025 16:53

Please don't trust ChatGPT for questions like this. It's hugely unreliable.

CoffeeCantata · 14/06/2025 16:53

However, responding to arguments calling people stupid and ignorant like CoffeeCantanta did could be perceived as being somewhat less than polite

Objection, Your Honour!

Now you know very well it was your comments which I called stupid and ignorant. I have no idea how stupid or intelligent you actually are.

CoffeeCantata · 14/06/2025 16:56

Sorry, I didn’t read your post properly. If calling someone talentless and a waster is opinion, then presumably so is calling someone stupid and ignorant.

Barbadosssunset - it's another of those irregular verbs!

I'm expressing an opinion
You are being insulting
They are using hate-speech

etc

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/06/2025 16:57

all the naysayers should understand that if (the monarchy) was scrapped, not a single extra penny would go to public services/people living in poverty

Actually some of we Republicans understand this very well and appreciate that an elected head of state could easily mean even more money spent, though admittedly on different things

Even while accepting that the RF could avoid behaving quite so greedily it's not about the money though, but a genuine point of principle whereby we'd prefer the public to have a say in the matter, and to be able to get rid of anyone who turned out to be unsuitable

Barbadossunset · 14/06/2025 17:03

but a genuine point of principle whereby we'd prefer the public to have a say in the matter, and to be able to get rid of anyone who turned out to be unsuitable.

The public have got rid of monarchies though it might take a revolution or a successful invasion.
However, presumably a referendum would also work so maybe Keir could be persuaded to have one.

mutinyonthetwix · 14/06/2025 17:04

I'm a republican and deeply dubious of the commercial / tourism value add arguments people make about the monarchy. But I have just had a look and the MoD said in an FOI response that the cost of staging the 2021 trooping the colour was a bit under £60k. So it's really not beyond credibility that it earns the Exchequer more than it costs.

I have also had two friends who have served in the military tell me that this sort of tradition is extremely important to them.

In very very long list of "dumb stuff in this country" this is one I think I can turn a blind eye to.

Isdinnerreadyyet · 14/06/2025 17:11

CoffeeCantata · 14/06/2025 15:52

In my long working life I've come across many, many hard left-wingers and they've been by far the most miserable, angry, unpleasant, vengeful, cruel, sadistic (as exemplifed above by MyDelma) and spiteful people. Also mighty hypocritical!

Just my experience, but I now avoid them like the plague.

I think people would count me as left winger - I've been a member of the Labour Party since I was 15. I've embraced the base at Greenham common & been on plenty of protests.

If it came to someone invading my country & my liberties, I would fight them I would be out on the streets protesting. I know that I would do everything possible to make their lives difficult. I'm getting older (62) & I don't think that I would give a shit - I'm an old(er) person what have I got to lose?

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BIossomtoes · 14/06/2025 17:12

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/06/2025 16:57

all the naysayers should understand that if (the monarchy) was scrapped, not a single extra penny would go to public services/people living in poverty

Actually some of we Republicans understand this very well and appreciate that an elected head of state could easily mean even more money spent, though admittedly on different things

Even while accepting that the RF could avoid behaving quite so greedily it's not about the money though, but a genuine point of principle whereby we'd prefer the public to have a say in the matter, and to be able to get rid of anyone who turned out to be unsuitable

It looks as if US citizens are going to have a hell of a job getting rid of Trump.

HelenWheels · 14/06/2025 17:12

i liked catherine's dress

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 14/06/2025 17:12

I'm not sure what there is to be proud of about a load of marching about and wearing funny hats, and I don't really think we 'do this kind of thing better' than anyone else. I get that people like a bit of pageantry and ceremony, and I'm not against that in general, though I'm not pro-royal.

Coffeeteasugar · 14/06/2025 17:15

I feel like both can be true at once - it IS an ‘anachronistic, expensive waste of money’ but I also feel proud of it when I watch it and most countries have some form of anachronistic, expensive waste of money day of some sort 😊

grumpygrape · 14/06/2025 17:19

I probably hadn’t noticed before but saw one Turban instead of Bear Skin today.

Baital · 14/06/2025 17:21

ImagineHarder · 14/06/2025 14:27

Because it’s a neighbouring country with a rich culture, a tradition of national celebration, and a whacking great tourist industry — without a RF?

Who do a huge military parade on Bastille Day...

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