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AIBU to be utterly baffled at how many people are falling for Reform after the Brexit mess?

362 replies

TheCoralShaker · 10/06/2025 22:20

I’m not into any political party or ideology – honestly, they all seem like varying shades of grifters to me – but I just can't believe how many people are jumping on the Reform bandwagon like it's some magic fix.

After everything that happened with Brexit – the lies, the infighting, the broken promises, the economic fallout we’re still wading through – how are people still falling for this kind of simplistic, shouty politics? The "common sense" soundbites, the "tell it like it is" nonsense, the constant scapegoating of whatever group is most convenient that week... it's all so transparent.

I'm not saying any of the main parties are perfect (far from it), but Reform seems to be just a bunch of media-savvy populists spouting whatever will get the loudest headlines. What’s worrying is how many people lap it up without even questioning what’s actually being proposed, or whether it’s remotely feasible.

Where are the critical thinking skills? Why are people so easily seduced by these pantomime figures who tap into anger and offer no real substance? It’s like the more outrageous someone is, the more they’re celebrated, and never mind whether any of it makes sense.

I get that people are frustrated, disillusioned, sick of the status quo, so am I. But falling for another bunch of opportunists who thrive on division and offer nothing beyond slogans seems like doubling down on the same mistake.

AIBU to think that we should have learned by now? Or is this just how politics is going to be from now on, performative outrage and no actual plan?

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MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 20:23

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 20:20

I'm on the left and I'm asking you how to better understand the right but you don't seem to know.

It's not a genuine request or a sincere desire to understand (even for its strategic benefits) - it's just a performance for the benefit of your political friends.

The right don't like Reform. But it's the only way to move the Overton window available at the moment

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 20:25

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 20:23

It's not a genuine request or a sincere desire to understand (even for its strategic benefits) - it's just a performance for the benefit of your political friends.

The right don't like Reform. But it's the only way to move the Overton window available at the moment

You're evading the question again and making stuff up. Very strange behaviour.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 11/06/2025 20:26

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 20:20

Careful now, some factions of the "right" are wanting to reclaim socialism from the "left"

Well they'll probably find it in a charity shop somewhere behind the jigsaws. Labour gave up on class donkeys years ago.

senua · 11/06/2025 20:28

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 20:19

Strange how no one can answer the question.

Do your own work!

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 20:30

senua · 11/06/2025 20:28

Do your own work!

Gosh, the right are so rude yet so mysterious.🤔

Michlar1086 · 11/06/2025 20:37

Wow. An astounding level of arrogance in your post. ‘So transparent!’ Did you read through and at any point contemplate a person who is not as privileged as you. The comment - don’t get sue critical thinking skills is all a bit let them eat cake. Seriously show me how out of touch you are without saying I’m out of touch. There are areas in this country where English (not Britain) people feel increasingly marginalised and forgotten. The issue is why the mainstream parties don’t address this. Shame on you

Lonelydave · 11/06/2025 20:39

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 11/06/2025 20:12

@senua

Some form of cross party consensus group taking on and making unpopular decisions wrt difficult long term issues might remove the stigma of said decisions being attached to the party in government at the time of implementation? But that assumes politicians are concerned only with the best interests of the country first and foremost...

Nailed it - if only they put their citizens first and not their political careers.

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 20:43

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 20:25

You're evading the question again and making stuff up. Very strange behaviour.

What have I made up?!

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 20:49

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 20:43

What have I made up?!

It's not a genuine request or a sincere desire to understand (even for its strategic benefits) - it's just a performance for the benefit of your political friends.

On what evidence did you base this?

senua · 11/06/2025 21:03

On what evidence did you base this?
Questions, questions. So many questions.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 21:04

senua · 11/06/2025 21:03

On what evidence did you base this?
Questions, questions. So many questions.

So mysterious.

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2025 21:10

senua · 11/06/2025 20:16

It might be a start to not just dismiss them with sub-human terms like 'scum' and 'gammon'. Hmm

Not terms I ever use. 🤷‍♀️

EasternStandard · 11/06/2025 21:18

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 11/06/2025 19:45

Labour won the general election with 35% of the vote share and declared that the Tories, with 24%, were over. Now Labour polls at 24% while Reform, who got 15% at the general election, now polls at 30%.

The red wall shifted to the Tories because they sold change and and gave up on them when they achieved none, Labour found their way back with a manifesto for change and then clearly didn't provide the change that a third of them expected or wanted. You are dreaming if you don't think those constituencies don't keep spinning the wheel until something sticks. I think the results in Durham at the local election could well be widely replicated in three years.

Clearly Labour are spooked. They've stopped talking about the Conservatives completely and focus their attention on the small band of Reform MPs - is there six now?

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Yes I agree with your posts. This and the island of strangers one.

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 21:23

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 20:49

It's not a genuine request or a sincere desire to understand (even for its strategic benefits) - it's just a performance for the benefit of your political friends.

On what evidence did you base this?

Proves the point. Suit yourself. It's not my disadvantage.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 21:30

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 21:23

Proves the point. Suit yourself. It's not my disadvantage.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps that's why the right are so unfathomable, it's like a secret language.

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 21:38

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 21:30

I have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps that's why the right are so unfathomable, it's like a secret language.

You have no idea how you come across

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2025 21:39

Oh the irony! I admire your patience @MiloMinderbinder925.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 21:47

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 21:38

You have no idea how you come across

What are you gibbering on about now? Don't worry, I know you can't answer simple questions.

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 21:50

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 21:47

What are you gibbering on about now? Don't worry, I know you can't answer simple questions.

This is why you're losing.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 21:53

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 21:50

This is why you're losing.

The last time I looked the left were in power and the Tories were decimated.

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 22:10

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 21:53

The last time I looked the left were in power and the Tories were decimated.

Sure, Starmer talking about the Island of Strangers - he looked really powerful as the tail being wagged by the Farage dog. Just like Cameron was and that gave us Brexit...

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2025 22:14

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 22:10

Sure, Starmer talking about the Island of Strangers - he looked really powerful as the tail being wagged by the Farage dog. Just like Cameron was and that gave us Brexit...

The ERG gave us Brexit. It doesn’t matter whether you think Starmer looks powerful or not. He’s the PM and he’s got an unassailable majority and another four years in power.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/06/2025 22:22

MonTuesWeds · 11/06/2025 22:10

Sure, Starmer talking about the Island of Strangers - he looked really powerful as the tail being wagged by the Farage dog. Just like Cameron was and that gave us Brexit...

You're coming across as benighted which is a shame as I was hoping to get some insight into current right wing thinking. The right is scattered at the moment and being pulled to the hard right, which must be difficult for moderates. The government are also emulating some very divisive rhetoric in order to pander to people who aren't even following what they're doing.

It's a shame people can't seem to have a straightforward discussion.

Badbadbunny · 12/06/2025 11:11

MargoLivebetter · 11/06/2025 15:10

So people were apparently turning away from the parties that had previously run the councils (often Tory) by voting for Tory councilors who re-stood as Reform candidates! What a mess.

Indeed, the Tory and Labour parties have really screwed things up by not listening to the electorate for the past 2/3 decades.

BIossomtoes · 12/06/2025 11:13

Badbadbunny · 12/06/2025 11:11

Indeed, the Tory and Labour parties have really screwed things up by not listening to the electorate for the past 2/3 decades.

How is a former Tory going to be any different because they’ve rebranded themselves? A rose by any other name and all that.

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