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Healthy food should be subsidised by government

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ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 19:37

just incase I say anything wrong, I have learning disabilities
I think it should be subsidised by the government so it can be cheaper and affordable for everyone.

I mean things like fresh fish, fresh berries, lean steak, salad leaves all full of nutrients that are beneficial for everyone and prevents inflammation and stress but too expensive for people to eat daily

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5128gap · 08/06/2025 21:29

ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 21:16

It benefits everyone to eat foods that have more nutrients

It does. And another good argument is that it would be cheaper to spend money subsiding people to eat well and stay healthy then the costs of treating them when their diet makes them unwell.

StMarie4me · 08/06/2025 21:32

MyUmberSeal · 08/06/2025 19:48

Nutritious food isn’t expensive. It’s a narrative that people like to push, but it’s simply not true. Beans, pulses, lentils, eggs, apples, frozen berries, tinned fruit, wholemeal pasta, tinned tomatoes, porridge oats. I could go on and on, none of it is pricey.

It doesn’t have to be organic avocado’s, fresh salmon fillets, golden yolk eggs, and corn fed chicken. You are being unreasonable and the idea it should be subsidised is a joke.

Totally agree with you. I use frozen berries, with supermarket own Greek style natural yogurt. Delicious and cheap. Porridge made with water and a dash of milk. A 1kg packet lasts me 25 breakfasts for £1. Literally 4p per serving. Frozen veg as it means no waste, though I do buy fresh salad and chicken breasts (3 for £4.50 from Aldi). You can make sweet treats like flapjack and cupcakes and then they have no rubbish in them and they are so cheap!
It’s all about meal planning, and being careful.

Having said all that, my DD28 is disabled and has many food issues with neurodivergence and so none of the above applies to her!!

TheKeatingFive · 08/06/2025 21:32

5128gap · 08/06/2025 21:29

It does. And another good argument is that it would be cheaper to spend money subsiding people to eat well and stay healthy then the costs of treating them when their diet makes them unwell.

There are plenty of affordable nutrious foods. The problem is that people don't choose to buy them.

Koalafan · 08/06/2025 21:32

pinkdelight · 08/06/2025 21:27

Move to Nelson, it's cheap as chips! But I don't think anyone would say it's a privilege. As PP said, people make their choices. It's not on the government to step in with a steak voucher just because someone can't suss how to make a decent curry on a budget. www.bbc.co.uk/food/collections/budget_curry

It IS privilege when you have access to something others don't have.
I also didn't say food should be subsidised, I know that it costs more to live where I do (not just in terms of food, but pretty much everything), and budget accordingly. I have privileges others don't have, such as year round access to amazing beaches or not having to commute on busy roads every day. My point just was that some folk forget that costs vary depending on where you live, and that some people also don't choose where they live. 😬
Also, no idea where Nelson is, but if it's not in Scotland then it's a no. 🤣

Koalafan · 08/06/2025 21:35

TheKeatingFive · 08/06/2025 21:27

I don't think anyone in the UK genuinely lives in a food desert. It's a US term (and even then, if you look at it the definition, it's far less dire than it sounds).

The UK is extremely well served for supermarkets and has some of the widest and cheapest online delivery services in the world.

This is not the problem here.

*Some of the UK is well served by supermarkets. Some isn't. Great swathes of rural Scotland only have the Coop or small (expensive) local shops.

pinkdelight · 08/06/2025 21:36

Koalafan · 08/06/2025 21:32

It IS privilege when you have access to something others don't have.
I also didn't say food should be subsidised, I know that it costs more to live where I do (not just in terms of food, but pretty much everything), and budget accordingly. I have privileges others don't have, such as year round access to amazing beaches or not having to commute on busy roads every day. My point just was that some folk forget that costs vary depending on where you live, and that some people also don't choose where they live. 😬
Also, no idea where Nelson is, but if it's not in Scotland then it's a no. 🤣

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I think when you use privilege in that way it becomes pretty meaningless. Like saying I'm privileged to have access to shitting in this ditch, which you can't access because you live in a swanky house by the beach with nice toilets. Order a big bag of lentils online and no doubt you'll muddle through.

TheKeatingFive · 08/06/2025 21:39

Koalafan · 08/06/2025 21:35

*Some of the UK is well served by supermarkets. Some isn't. Great swathes of rural Scotland only have the Coop or small (expensive) local shops.

Honestly, this is just getting silly. Online deliveries are available far more widely than comparable countries. Tinned, dried, frozen food can be bought in bulk and stored. And any co-op will provide you with the ingredients for a basic, nutrious meal.

Koalafan · 08/06/2025 21:39

pinkdelight · 08/06/2025 21:36

I think when you use privilege in that way it becomes pretty meaningless. Like saying I'm privileged to have access to shitting in this ditch, which you can't access because you live in a swanky house by the beach with nice toilets. Order a big bag of lentils online and no doubt you'll muddle through.

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I'm using the word in the correct way, in reference to a positive factor.
Your example is comparing a more negative factor, then calling it privilege.
Also, not sure why you're telling me what to buy - as it stands we've plenty of lentils, which we combine with local veg to make yummy soup. 🤣

noctilucentcloud · 08/06/2025 21:40

pinkdelight · 08/06/2025 21:36

I think when you use privilege in that way it becomes pretty meaningless. Like saying I'm privileged to have access to shitting in this ditch, which you can't access because you live in a swanky house by the beach with nice toilets. Order a big bag of lentils online and no doubt you'll muddle through.

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There's also large areas of rural Scotland which aren't covered by supermarket deliveries. And other companies either don't deliver or add an offshore surcharge. Having multiple shops to chose from, that you can access, isn't something that's available to all. There are food deserts in the UK and as the food desert definition doesn't include neighbourhoods with less than 5000 people the figures don't include rural areas.

Koalafan · 08/06/2025 21:41

TheKeatingFive · 08/06/2025 21:39

Honestly, this is just getting silly. Online deliveries are available far more widely than comparable countries. Tinned, dried, frozen food can be bought in bulk and stored. And any co-op will provide you with the ingredients for a basic, nutrious meal.

It's not 'getting silly' to point out the reality. Folk who live in towns or near towns have no idea how rural/remote communities live. The Coop is decent quality but expensive (Aldi price match hasn't lived up to the initial promotions), and they've still got ongoing stock issues. We have one locally - there's no way I could do a full shop there every week (unless I enjoyed burning money/eating very repetitive meals).

AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 08/06/2025 21:42

Of course it’s going to cost you. More to eat if you’re eating steak.

You can buy chicken, mince, some fish cheaply enough. Frozen fruit and veg is fine if you don’t want to buy fresh and let it go to waste.

Yoghurt, eggs, milk are all affordable.

Most people don’t live on ready meals because they can’t afford not to, they live on them because they’re lazy and can’t be arsed to cook. How often do people say things like “I just bung something in the oven out of the freezer.”

If anything ready meals and UPF’s should be heavily taxed, like the sugar tax. If people had to pay three times the price for a ready meal it’s amazing how quickly they would start buying actual food.

TheKeatingFive · 08/06/2025 21:47

Koalafan · 08/06/2025 21:41

It's not 'getting silly' to point out the reality. Folk who live in towns or near towns have no idea how rural/remote communities live. The Coop is decent quality but expensive (Aldi price match hasn't lived up to the initial promotions), and they've still got ongoing stock issues. We have one locally - there's no way I could do a full shop there every week (unless I enjoyed burning money/eating very repetitive meals).

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Even living in the most remote areas there will be options available in bulk buying, online delivers, local shops and growing your own produce.

Perhaps not the OP's dream of steak dinners and cross continental strawberries every night, but perfectly nutrious.

ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 21:50

TheKeatingFive · 08/06/2025 21:47

Even living in the most remote areas there will be options available in bulk buying, online delivers, local shops and growing your own produce.

Perhaps not the OP's dream of steak dinners and cross continental strawberries every night, but perfectly nutrious.

I don’t know why people keep referencing out of season strawberries because it is actually strawberry season in the uk

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Koalafan · 08/06/2025 21:52

@TheKeatingFive Bulk buying will generally incur extra delivery charges.
Many remote areas have no/limited supermarket deliveries.
Locals shops in rural/remote areas are generally always more expensive, have less choice and often have reduced opening hours.
Growing your own is harder in certain climates, and not everyone can afford the start up costs or has the space.
This is the reality. Please don't dismiss it if you've not experienced it.

Koalafan · 08/06/2025 21:54

ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 21:50

I don’t know why people keep referencing out of season strawberries because it is actually strawberry season in the uk

It's not always strawberry season though. 😉

ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 21:57

My point is that the foods with more nutrients in are too expensive , someone said they are nutrient dense, that’s what I mean
cheaper apples don’t have as many nutrients in as the juicier ones

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ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 21:58

Koalafan · 08/06/2025 21:54

It's not always strawberry season though. 😉

I know

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Whistlingformysupper · 08/06/2025 22:01

So basically, you cant afford the highest quality produce and so you feel bitter about it?
Cheaper veg and fruit might be slightly less delicious but they are perfectly nutritious. You sound so entitled!!
Nobody 'needs' lean steak, red meat is something we should all be eating less of! . You can buy a whole chicken for about £5 which will feed a whole family.
Berries likewise - yes they are tasty and nice but they aren't a need!!

The government doesn't have to provide you with everything you want, for cheap 😂

Whistlingformysupper · 08/06/2025 22:03

ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 21:57

My point is that the foods with more nutrients in are too expensive , someone said they are nutrient dense, that’s what I mean
cheaper apples don’t have as many nutrients in as the juicier ones

The point us though, that they have enough nutrients for basic health.
And I'm pretty sure that the tastier apples do not magically have more vitamins in them

UnderratedCabbage · 08/06/2025 22:03

ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 21:57

My point is that the foods with more nutrients in are too expensive , someone said they are nutrient dense, that’s what I mean
cheaper apples don’t have as many nutrients in as the juicier ones

There are minimal differences. Mostly dependant on colour rather than price if anything... Cheap apples are not less nutritious. They are cheap because that variety grows well and stores well.

Berries are expensive for a reason.

Cheap veg and fruit are NOT less nutritional than expensive fruit and veg.

Happy to be corrected if someone shows me numbers comparing 60p/kg carrot v 4£/kg carrot or something like that.

ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 22:03

Whistlingformysupper · 08/06/2025 22:01

So basically, you cant afford the highest quality produce and so you feel bitter about it?
Cheaper veg and fruit might be slightly less delicious but they are perfectly nutritious. You sound so entitled!!
Nobody 'needs' lean steak, red meat is something we should all be eating less of! . You can buy a whole chicken for about £5 which will feed a whole family.
Berries likewise - yes they are tasty and nice but they aren't a need!!

The government doesn't have to provide you with everything you want, for cheap 😂

It’s not even about the taste it’s about the unbearable texture/mushyness/softness/soggyness and the lower nutrient levels.

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Koalafan · 08/06/2025 22:05

ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 22:03

It’s not even about the taste it’s about the unbearable texture/mushyness/softness/soggyness and the lower nutrient levels.

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Are you autistic OP, if you don't mind me asking? Textures can be an issue for lots of ASD folks. No worries if you'd rather not answer that.

ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 22:05

Koalafan · 08/06/2025 22:05

Are you autistic OP, if you don't mind me asking? Textures can be an issue for lots of ASD folks. No worries if you'd rather not answer that.

Yes I am

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noctilucentcloud · 08/06/2025 22:09

ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 22:03

It’s not even about the taste it’s about the unbearable texture/mushyness/softness/soggyness and the lower nutrient levels.

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If you turn the veg into say soup or fruit into crumbles / stewed or smoothies does that make the texture any easier for you to tolerate? (Sorry if I'm stating obvious things)

ByJadeExpert · 08/06/2025 22:11

noctilucentcloud · 08/06/2025 22:09

If you turn the veg into say soup or fruit into crumbles / stewed or smoothies does that make the texture any easier for you to tolerate? (Sorry if I'm stating obvious things)

No. I don’t like soup and cooking veg makes it soft. Stew makes me feel sick

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