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To think that free breakfast at school is a bad idea due to the quality?

637 replies

Mushypeass · 07/06/2025 21:20

Firstly, I fully agree with the principle of free breakfast for all pupils. My reservation comes from the quality of food that is often served up in UK school canteens. Obviously a poor quality breakfast is better than no breakfast at all but AIBU that it could encourage children to eat even more UPFs? For example, children who have may had a relatively healthy breakfast at home may now opt eat UPFs at school with their pals instead.

Seocondly, why is the food so poor in so many schools? How can other countries manage to provide their youth with nutritious and healthy meals but we can’t?

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mummyto9angels · 10/06/2025 07:37

Missedthis · 07/06/2025 21:28

Holy fuck.

Try coming to a school serving a community in the bottom 10% for deprivation.

Then come back and talk about UPFs.

Definitely this 👏

x2boys · 10/06/2025 08:05

usernamealreadytaken · 10/06/2025 07:26

Shouln’t we also be angry at the parents who could afford 50p for a loaf and just dont? Throwing money at stuff doesn't always stick in the right place (from experience). Those of us who did it right don’t begrudge children being fed, but we do begrudge feckless parents being enabled.

Yes exactly there will be some parents who can't afford to feed their kids but others just won't

OneLemonGuide · 10/06/2025 08:16

School could even teach the kids to make their own yoghurt.

The MN equivalent of “let them eat cake”. 🤣

TheignT · 10/06/2025 08:34

angela1952 · 09/06/2025 10:18

My GC go to the paid-for Breakfast Club which starts earlier and we're all concerned by how little they are given to eat and the fact that my GS sometimes doesn't eat anything. It's all carbohydrate, cereal and toast, never any protein. Also concerning for us us that now there is a free BC which starts later, effictively my DD is paying a hefty fee for what is really 45 minutes of childcare with an inadequate breakfast.

So they are there for childcare, if you are all so worried have you tried feeding them before they go to childcare?

Dwimmer · 10/06/2025 08:44

OneLemonGuide · 10/06/2025 08:16

School could even teach the kids to make their own yoghurt.

The MN equivalent of “let them eat cake”. 🤣

Gooseberry and cinnamon yoghurt?

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angela1952 · 10/06/2025 08:53

TheignT · 10/06/2025 08:34

So they are there for childcare, if you are all so worried have you tried feeding them before they go to childcare?

They're supposed to be there for breakfast before school, as well as childcare They did come to me for breakfast before normal start time school for a while, but they wanted to go to BC with their friends. They would only have time for breakfast beforehand if they came to me at 6.30, though I do give them a drink and sometimes a snack.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/06/2025 08:58

Rhayra · 09/06/2025 20:16

So youre saying you also had rent and bills to pay and multiple school age kids to get to school before you were 25? in recent years because rents never been higher than the past ten years?

I mean of course I'm not the only one but seems that way on the school run haha. Sounds like your employers were assholes and I'm sorry to hear you had such a stressful time but me personally find I'm a lot better off working even a minimum wage job than when I was jobless

Yes.

ruethewhirl · 10/06/2025 09:27

IReallyLoveItHere · 07/06/2025 21:44

The schools in my village do processed cereals or toast with jam and marg.

I agree with you, they are teaching kids that highly processed nutritionally void foods are the breakfast of choice.

Fruit and yoghurt would be better. School could even teach the kids to make their own yoghurt.

Make their own yoghurt? When are the schools supposed to find the time to do that?!

Fetaface · 10/06/2025 09:56

ruethewhirl · 10/06/2025 09:27

Make their own yoghurt? When are the schools supposed to find the time to do that?!

In between grinding their own flour and milking their cows 😉😂

C8H10N4O2 · 10/06/2025 10:17

Fetaface · 10/06/2025 09:56

In between grinding their own flour and milking their cows 😉😂

Its peak mumsnet isn’t it?

Are people losing sight of the fact that breakfast clubs started to ensure children were fed, IIRC when teachers were noting tiredness and agitation in class from children who hadn’t eaten.

They were not set up, let alone funded, to educate The Poor in aspirational eating, making their own sourdough or to punish their “feckless” parents. They were set up to ensure children had something to eat rather than nothing. End of.

Anyone wanting a full on gourmet breakfast learning experience can lobby Westminster for the funding. In the mean time toast and cereal is better than nothing (and cereals are fortified and for most kids will include milk).

As for all the rose tinted spectacles - I was at school in the era when all school meals were cooked in school kitchens. There was zero choice even for dietary restrictions and it was mostly horrible. The same overcooked veg every day, poor quality meat and puddings were about 80% “sponge and pink custard” and 20% something else made from fat, sugar and flour. The wastage was huge, even from hungry kids and the fat/refined carb content would give the average UPF obsessive a fit of the vapours.

Fetaface · 10/06/2025 10:30

C8H10N4O2 · 10/06/2025 10:17

Its peak mumsnet isn’t it?

Are people losing sight of the fact that breakfast clubs started to ensure children were fed, IIRC when teachers were noting tiredness and agitation in class from children who hadn’t eaten.

They were not set up, let alone funded, to educate The Poor in aspirational eating, making their own sourdough or to punish their “feckless” parents. They were set up to ensure children had something to eat rather than nothing. End of.

Anyone wanting a full on gourmet breakfast learning experience can lobby Westminster for the funding. In the mean time toast and cereal is better than nothing (and cereals are fortified and for most kids will include milk).

As for all the rose tinted spectacles - I was at school in the era when all school meals were cooked in school kitchens. There was zero choice even for dietary restrictions and it was mostly horrible. The same overcooked veg every day, poor quality meat and puddings were about 80% “sponge and pink custard” and 20% something else made from fat, sugar and flour. The wastage was huge, even from hungry kids and the fat/refined carb content would give the average UPF obsessive a fit of the vapours.

Absolutely! They aren't funding it to allow time for prep and washing up or resources. They kitchen will be already in use during that time for the lunches so breakfast club staff cannot interfere with that routine so they have to work with what they have got. They need a quick breakfast which is easy to clean up and can be easily stored for long periods as the uptake could be anywhere from 1 - 200 kids each day.

The issue is also staffing it. People do not want this job as it doesn't fit around work for them. The irony that the government want this clubs to be open to allow adults to get to work too but leaves staff with children no way of getting their own kids to work or picking them up! As a result people do not want this job and so it is difficult to recruit leaving schools to ask TAs and teachers to do it for extra money or no money in some cases (teachers do not get paid if they cover the club). So that means that the staff are needed back in the rooms immediately when school starts. They haven't time to be washing up 200 bowls of dried on weetabix that could deal with the crumbling school issue in no time! It needs to be an eat and go situation as that is what the government has funded.

Thing is schools are the go so sticking plaster for everything and when they do their best with the shite budget they have or do it for free people still whinge!

Dwimmer · 10/06/2025 11:36

You wouldn’t cover your commuting costs unless you lived next to a school.

TheignT · 10/06/2025 13:01

angela1952 · 10/06/2025 08:53

They're supposed to be there for breakfast before school, as well as childcare They did come to me for breakfast before normal start time school for a while, but they wanted to go to BC with their friends. They would only have time for breakfast beforehand if they came to me at 6.30, though I do give them a drink and sometimes a snack.

Well if they don't like the breakfast I guess you all have some decisions to make.

Couldn't their parents give them something suitable before they drop them off?

angela1952 · 10/06/2025 13:25

TheignT · 10/06/2025 13:01

Well if they don't like the breakfast I guess you all have some decisions to make.

Couldn't their parents give them something suitable before they drop them off?

Edited

The paid-for BC is expensive, it starts 45 minutes earlier. Free BC starts at 8.30 and is literally just breakfast, no time to be with their friends.

Katypp · 10/06/2025 13:59

usernamealreadytaken · 10/06/2025 07:26

Shouln’t we also be angry at the parents who could afford 50p for a loaf and just dont? Throwing money at stuff doesn't always stick in the right place (from experience). Those of us who did it right don’t begrudge children being fed, but we do begrudge feckless parents being enabled.

I agree with this 100%. And I think some posters are being far, far too forgiving of parents who are not feeding their children.
I said upthread but I refuse to believe that anybody can not afford a couple of quid a week to give their children breakfast. Have run out of money because it's been spent elsewhere, cannot be bothered to get to the shops, cannot be bothered to get organised I can believe, but not that they are so fundamentally short of money they have not got £2.
But as usual, there will be a deluge of what ifs and yes buts to basically excuse terrible parenting. I am not sure whether defending The Poors makes the posters feel better about themselves or what, but it always happens.
I don't know how we got to the stage where the Government has become responsible for feeding children, despite already giving the parents money to do just that

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/06/2025 16:00

Katypp · 10/06/2025 13:59

I agree with this 100%. And I think some posters are being far, far too forgiving of parents who are not feeding their children.
I said upthread but I refuse to believe that anybody can not afford a couple of quid a week to give their children breakfast. Have run out of money because it's been spent elsewhere, cannot be bothered to get to the shops, cannot be bothered to get organised I can believe, but not that they are so fundamentally short of money they have not got £2.
But as usual, there will be a deluge of what ifs and yes buts to basically excuse terrible parenting. I am not sure whether defending The Poors makes the posters feel better about themselves or what, but it always happens.
I don't know how we got to the stage where the Government has become responsible for feeding children, despite already giving the parents money to do just that

Edited

People said much the same about introducing Free School Meals in the first place all those years ago.

Katypp · 10/06/2025 16:45

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/06/2025 16:00

People said much the same about introducing Free School Meals in the first place all those years ago.

And I would agree with them too generally.
Universal free school meals for all infants is a luxury we cannot afford. A ridiculous idea and yet again, switching responsibility from parents to the Government - hence the need for vouchers in the school holidays now too. Madness.

Dwimmer · 10/06/2025 18:11

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/06/2025 16:00

People said much the same about introducing Free School Meals in the first place all those years ago.

In 1944? It was a Labour government who decided universal free school meals were unaffordable and introduced charges for all but the poorest in 1949

ruethewhirl · 10/06/2025 18:32

Katypp · 10/06/2025 13:59

I agree with this 100%. And I think some posters are being far, far too forgiving of parents who are not feeding their children.
I said upthread but I refuse to believe that anybody can not afford a couple of quid a week to give their children breakfast. Have run out of money because it's been spent elsewhere, cannot be bothered to get to the shops, cannot be bothered to get organised I can believe, but not that they are so fundamentally short of money they have not got £2.
But as usual, there will be a deluge of what ifs and yes buts to basically excuse terrible parenting. I am not sure whether defending The Poors makes the posters feel better about themselves or what, but it always happens.
I don't know how we got to the stage where the Government has become responsible for feeding children, despite already giving the parents money to do just that

Edited

Fine, then, Katie, oops I mean Katy… in that case you won’t mind being the one to go round all the hungry kids out there and explain to them that they can’t have anything to eat because their parents are feckless, will you?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/06/2025 18:50

Dwimmer · 10/06/2025 18:11

In 1944? It was a Labour government who decided universal free school meals were unaffordable and introduced charges for all but the poorest in 1949

I was thinking more of 1906. Liberal and Conservative.

Various sections from Hansard:

Members were all perfectly agreed as to the necessity for some provision being made for the feeding of hungry children; but, at the same time, they were anxious that nothing should be done which would unduly relieve parents from the obligation which naturally rested upon them to give proper food to their children, or would pauperise those people who were given help. His own idea of the kind of meal that should be provided was food that might he accessible at any time. For this purpose he would suggest that there should be some place about the school building where dry bread and good milk should be available. This food would be sufficient to nourish the child, but at the same time no child would prefer this fare if it could get better food at home. At certain hours of the day the food should be accessible to all children who required it irrespective of whether their parents were poor or well-to-do. He felt himself that his suggestion would meet the case, for while it would provide that sufficient food was given to children it would not have the effect of pauperising them

<snip>

His contention was that the Government were departing from a distinct understanding arrived at in the Committee upstairs, who distinctly put these words in the forefront in the clause in order to make it clear that what they wanted to aim at was the organisation and direction of this provision, and not the buying of food out of public money, to which some of them objected altogether and which ought only to be resorted to in most exceptional circumstances

<snip>

It was, however, an important matter that the local education authority should be empowered to give an indefinite and indeterminate number of meals, and under this provision they might have any number of children fed at other people's expense. [Ironical LABOUR Cheers.] No doubt that was a prospect with which hon. Gentleman below the gangway were very much enamoured, but it was one which he thought was insulting to the independent working man

<snip>

how many in this House really and sincerely believed in their hearts that after this Bill was passed there would be any voluntary effort? The burden would be put upon the State or upon the rates. Then as to the provision of more than one meal, he was against the provision of any meal at all

<snip>

he believed he was saying the kindest thing possible when he said that if they encouraged parents in the belief that they might have any number of children and someone would provide for them they would be doing injury both to the child and the parents

<the hon. Baronet suggested he should support the Amendment. There was a very grave danger of impairing parental responsibility>

Mashbutterfly · 10/06/2025 19:11

ruethewhirl · 10/06/2025 18:32

Fine, then, Katie, oops I mean Katy… in that case you won’t mind being the one to go round all the hungry kids out there and explain to them that they can’t have anything to eat because their parents are feckless, will you?

Where does it end. Should we nip by at bedtime and make sure they are read to, bathed and putting bed at a decent time.

Should we pay for the school uniform?

Or should we be teaching parents to be accountable for the children they produce?

Mashbutterfly · 10/06/2025 19:13

We have adopted children in our family, our friends are foster carers and adopters. I work in children's medicine.

I'm sick of poor parenting being excused and children being allowed to suffer because of feckless humans not putting a condom on.

TheignT · 10/06/2025 20:06

angela1952 · 10/06/2025 13:25

The paid-for BC is expensive, it starts 45 minutes earlier. Free BC starts at 8.30 and is literally just breakfast, no time to be with their friends.

I assume their parents need the expensive one for work but if it's just to see their friends could they do it for fewer days. I don't know if schools offer that.

I don't suppose the school has the funds to offer the extra 45 minutes for free. Childcare is expensive and it doesn't always stop when they start school.

TheignT · 10/06/2025 20:07

Mashbutterfly · 10/06/2025 19:13

We have adopted children in our family, our friends are foster carers and adopters. I work in children's medicine.

I'm sick of poor parenting being excused and children being allowed to suffer because of feckless humans not putting a condom on.

Edited

I don't think it's about excusing the parents, it's about supporting the children. It isn't their fault.

PinotDragon86 · 10/06/2025 20:07

usernamealreadytaken · 10/06/2025 07:26

Shouln’t we also be angry at the parents who could afford 50p for a loaf and just dont? Throwing money at stuff doesn't always stick in the right place (from experience). Those of us who did it right don’t begrudge children being fed, but we do begrudge feckless parents being enabled.

You're not wrong at all.
I meant generally all round, I'm just angry that children go to school without breakfast in this day and age. No child should suffer the consequences for the decisions of adults, but they do. Just my humble opinion 🤷‍♀️

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