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MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:11

Hoppinggreen · 07/06/2025 12:02

Can you link to a reliable source quoting them saying anything along these lines?

You need to watch the film.

Itcantbetrue · 07/06/2025 12:12

@MatildaMovesMountains I'm not with any political party, I'm a swing voter.

But looking at starmers recent speeches abs actions, had a Tory pm said island of strangers ; and cut winter fuel allowance and disability payments we would have been violent protests outside downing street.

I'm also not aware of people who are conservatives openly declaring they would feel ashamed if they'd children turned out lefty's.

Of course it may go on in private but the left literally have the t shirt for it and never kiss a Tory etc

PandoraSocks · 07/06/2025 12:13

MiloMinderbinder925 · 07/06/2025 12:08

In July 2021 Robinson was found guilty of libel and ordered to pay £100,000 in damages and legal costs, which he attempted to avoid by declaring bankruptcy. An injunction was also granted to stop him from repeating the libel.

Libel which MerlinsBeard1 appears to have repeated?

Maybe ask MNHQ to take your post down, Merlin?

Itcantbetrue · 07/06/2025 12:13

@MerlinsBeard1 where is it then?

EasternStandard · 07/06/2025 12:13

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 11:35

So quick to violence. Often the way with the 'tolerant' left.

I manage to avoid most of the TR stuff mentioned online but agree inciting violence isn’t the way to go.

Ladamesansmerci · 07/06/2025 12:13

JamieCannister · 07/06/2025 11:20

When I was at university I knew a group of muslims (all brought up in London) - ten of them who all told me to their face that they would make homosexuality illegal if they were in charge, and they all said they would report any gay man they were aware of to the police (one spoke to me privately afterwards and claimed he would not report discreet gay men, only indiscreet ones).

I genuinely believe that if we had a muslim majority in this country we could very very quickly end up in an extremely bad place. I might be wrong.

I don't want to live under an Islamic state anymore than I want to live under a Christian state. I actually had a weird Christian phase when I was very depressed at university. I had people trying to pray the gay away for me, tell me HIV is sent from God to punish gay people, and many of my church 'friends' blocked me when I came out. Religion is the problem generally. I hate religion more than anyone lol, but people are still entitled to worship in peace, and people can also hate my gay ass privately, as long as it never impacts my legal rights.

But this thread is about tolerance. And we do not need to tolerate blatant racism.

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:13

MiloMinderbinder925 · 07/06/2025 12:08

In July 2021 Robinson was found guilty of libel and ordered to pay £100,000 in damages and legal costs, which he attempted to avoid by declaring bankruptcy. An injunction was also granted to stop him from repeating the libel.

Yes we all know that. I said read the full documents. He never pled guilty to the libel case.

JamieCannister · 07/06/2025 12:14

JHound · 07/06/2025 12:03

Beliefs are not a protected characteristic. I am sure you could refuse to serve hate preachers.
i would refuse to serve Andrew Tate

Religion and belief is literally a protected characteristic.

For a belief to be protected it has to pass the Grainger test (which includes being WORIADS). I do not know exactly where the law would fall, but from where I am sat TR's beliefs are more likely to be protected than TQ+ ideology, because TR opposes immigration and Islamification, and lots of people agree with him, whereas TQ+ ideology is a direct attack on the sex based rights of LGB and women.

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:16

PandoraSocks · 07/06/2025 12:13

Libel which MerlinsBeard1 appears to have repeated?

Maybe ask MNHQ to take your post down, Merlin?

How surprising. Cancel culture. Is that what you have to resort to in a debate.....

MiloMinderbinder925 · 07/06/2025 12:16

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:13

Yes we all know that. I said read the full documents. He never pled guilty to the libel case.

I'm sorry I don't understand. Are you saying that if you don't plead guilty, you're not guilty?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 07/06/2025 12:17

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:16

How surprising. Cancel culture. Is that what you have to resort to in a debate.....

You're repeating libel.

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:18

Itcantbetrue · 07/06/2025 12:13

@MerlinsBeard1 where is it then?

Youtube.

X.

I shan't post the link because some of the pp will have a nose bleed and report me, like they are already attempting to do. Talk about echo chambers.

PandoraSocks · 07/06/2025 12:18

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:16

How surprising. Cancel culture. Is that what you have to resort to in a debate.....

I am not cancelling anything. If you're happy to repeat something Yaxley-Lennon was sued for, that is up to you.

JamieCannister · 07/06/2025 12:19

bombastix · 07/06/2025 12:11

But you can’t infer that and sue. That is not enough in law. It may be likely in your view, but that simply isnt enough where there needs to be some evidence.

Did they kick him out for being rude, or violent, or wearing dirty clothes?

Did they kick him out for being a convicted criminal (and is that legal?)

Why do you think he was kicked out?

EasternStandard · 07/06/2025 12:20

JHound · 07/06/2025 12:03

Beliefs are not a protected characteristic. I am sure you could refuse to serve hate preachers.
i would refuse to serve Andrew Tate

Beliefs are but they have to meet criteria, in a pp. not sure about this situation.

Toptotoe · 07/06/2025 12:23

MrsMitford3 · 06/06/2025 17:17

I am donning my tin hat here.
I am not a fan of his politics at all but where do we draw the line?
Who decides?
It makes me very uncomfortable.
Is it ok for restaurants to refuse women wearing "Adult human female" shirts?
Or ppl with different coloured skin?
Different religious beliefs?
Ppl with keffiyehs on?
Gay people?
Ppl in burkas?
A women only event?

I assume everyone will come on to say it's not the same but I feel like the pitchforks will be next.

Everyone is jubilant now because they dislike him but next time what if it someone you like/agree with politically that is publicly being thrown out?

I think the ability to disagree and respect others opinions is lost and imho that is not a good thing for society.

I totally agree with this. Freedom of speech and the freedom to hold views that do not reflect the majority are hugely important. I also believe it is important to actually go and do your own investigation into a subject before coming to a decision about someone or something and not just parrot editorials from main stream news.

JamieCannister · 07/06/2025 12:23

EasternStandard · 07/06/2025 12:20

Beliefs are but they have to meet criteria, in a pp. not sure about this situation.

I believe that TRs basic beliefs are "mass immigration and islamification are very very bad".

If this opinion were deemed not worthy of respect, and it is lawful to discriminate against people for holding them, I can see a massive increase in support for reform and the next government coming in and changing the law to make it explicitly clear than any and all criticism of Islam is legal.

BIossomtoes · 07/06/2025 12:26

JamieCannister · 07/06/2025 12:19

Did they kick him out for being rude, or violent, or wearing dirty clothes?

Did they kick him out for being a convicted criminal (and is that legal?)

Why do you think he was kicked out?

It was a business decision. The majority of Hawksmoor customers would not wish to dine expensively in a restaurant that welcomes the likes of Tommy Robinson and would be likely to boycott it. Equally there will be people who applaud Hawksmoor for ejecting him and will be more likely to eat there as a result. It’s called reputation management.

Hoppinggreen · 07/06/2025 12:27

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:11

You need to watch the film.

I would rather roll around in a pig pen

bombastix · 07/06/2025 12:28

Well my assumption is based on what the restaurant said. They are a business. See below. I think you can take them at their word.

On Thursday, a public figure was asked to leave one of our restaurants because guests and staff felt uncomfortable and had complained. The party left peacefully and politely on request.
“This was not about politics or beliefs. Hawksmoor is not a political organisation; we’re a group of restaurants. We want to welcome as many people as possible, regardless of background or views, to our teams or as our guests.
“We’re not trying to engage in a public debate. The team has had to deal with a huge amount of fallout from this, some of which is quite concerning. We would like to get back to focussing on looking after those people, and our guests. Thank you to them, and the many of you who have been so supportive.”

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:29

MiloMinderbinder925 · 07/06/2025 12:16

I'm sorry I don't understand. Are you saying that if you don't plead guilty, you're not guilty?

I'm saying he was found guilty (without jury) after a media frenzy that had already determined the Syrian boy was the victim. TR did not plead guilty to libel, it is noted in the court documents by the judge that he stood by what he had said and viewed it as the truth.

Why would anyone be willing to go to jail for something they thought was a lie. He accept guilt for the following contempt case after all.

StressedStepmum36 · 07/06/2025 12:29

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:29

I'm saying he was found guilty (without jury) after a media frenzy that had already determined the Syrian boy was the victim. TR did not plead guilty to libel, it is noted in the court documents by the judge that he stood by what he had said and viewed it as the truth.

Why would anyone be willing to go to jail for something they thought was a lie. He accept guilt for the following contempt case after all.

I mean. Believing something to be the truth doesn’t make it the truth.

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:30

MiloMinderbinder925 · 07/06/2025 12:17

You're repeating libel.

We are having a discussion about the circumstances around the TR convictions. How can one do that without showing his version of events. Try harder.

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:32

Hoppinggreen · 07/06/2025 12:27

I would rather roll around in a pig pen

You're not qualified to talk on the matter then are you.

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/06/2025 12:35

StressedStepmum36 · 07/06/2025 12:29

I mean. Believing something to be the truth doesn’t make it the truth.

And believing somebody to be guilty doesn't make them guilty.

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