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Children drowning on holiday.

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Nextdoormat · 06/06/2025 10:22

Another week where in the news a poor toddler (2) has drowned on holiday. Devastating for parents. I am not casting blame or being goady, but how can we make it clearer that someone needs to watch a child 100% of the time if near water.
As a single parent I did take my kids on holiday where there were pools but they always had arm bands on when they couldn't swim properly and I never took my eyes off them, so no reading a book, snoozing, chatting and being distracted.
Perhaps it was easier when I had sole responsibility. Once my DS2 at the time aged 4 was just walking by the pool and another kid just pushed him in at the deep end. I jumped in fully clothed with sunglasses on and pulled him out, if I wasn't watching I could have been that parent grieving.
My heart goes out to the parents, what was supposed to be a holiday making memories turned on it's head.

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SharpTiger · 06/06/2025 12:51

My Ds (now 20) had a close call when he was 2, and I was right there! Still makes me feel sick all these years later. He was next to me poolside with his armbands and rubber ring. I reached into my bag to get a towel, looked up and he was gone. In the space of 10 seconds maximum he had pulled the armbands off his arms, and jumped in the pool. I saw his blond hair and an arm reaching out. I jumped in, dragged him out. He was fine, but my fucking god. Literally had my head turned for seconds with him next to me.

IberianBlackout · 06/06/2025 12:55

StarlightRobot · 06/06/2025 11:04

There is a general lack of concern for child safety and pools in Europe generally, and a lack of education in the UK about this. In Australia, all swimming pools must have a secure fence around them, even pools at private homes. This automatically creates a culture where safety is treated as important.

There really does need to be a lot more education about the risks that pools pose for little children

How so? I grew up in Europe, had my swimming lessons in Europe and never had any issues or known anyone that has had issues. Obviously this doesn’t apply to toddlers, but school aged children. Most drownings seem to be either in the sea or rivers, which people tend to underestimate (even locals unfortunately).

If anything I constantly wonder if in the UK they drag learning how to swim for so long that it actually hinders the kids. All my coworkers keep saying their children have been in swimming lessons for 1+ years, unless you’re getting into competitive swimming I struggle to understand why it takes so long.

ShesTheAlbatross · 06/06/2025 12:56

I think the fact you say it was just you does make it a bit easier. I wonder if often in tragedies like this, both parents are half watching because they assume the other is paying attention. If you had, say, 4 adults (parents and grandparents) sitting around talking at the pool, no one has their full attention on the children and are probably all thinking “well there’s four adults to two children, of course it’s fine and supervised”. But then one person goes to the loo, the other needs to send a text, two are distracted by a conversation and suddenly no one even has half an eye on the children.
One parent alone knows no one else is watching.

Purplebunnie · 06/06/2025 12:56

Many years ago I think I nearly became one of these casualties.

I was on a Lilo and had paddled got out of my depth, I remember looking down and could see the rocks and seaweed a long way down. My brother came and rescued me. To this day I don't know if he spotted me or my parents. It can happen so quickly

Icanttakeanymore1 · 06/06/2025 12:57

It honestly is not a relaxing holiday with kids that age. Can be great, but you have to be alert 100 per cent of the time. Not just pools. Dodgy wiring, etc.

Perroi · 06/06/2025 12:59

Garibald · 06/06/2025 11:37

This post is unintentionally cruel, OP.

The reality is that the main difference between parents whose children have near misses and parents whose children die is luck. Of course you can say 'this never happened to me because I watched my children like a hawk, other people need to be more careful'. It makes us feel better to think an awful tragedy could never happen to us because we're more careful, but truly so often it comes down to luck.

Of course we must all be strictly aware of where our kids are at all times, but when something horrific like this happens it's not the time to say 'don't these parents know they have to be vigilant every second?', because there but for the grace of god go all of us.

This.
Doesn't every parent have near misses whether water related or other?
We had two near misses. When DC were little DH and I did shifts on "lifeguard duty".
When DS1 was 2 we stayed in an apartment complex with gated gardens. As we arrived and were unpacking DS slipped out of the gate and ran hell for leather towards the pool. DH ran after him and scooped him up just as he was about to leap in
When DS2 was 3 we were in Greece. Walking back from the beach and stopped off at a taverna for lunch. As we walked in through a gate there was a swimming pool and DS just literally walked into the pool. It was the deep end and he sank. DH jumped in fully clothed and fished him out.

There used to be someone on MN that posted every year about "drowning doesn't look like drowning". Link

Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning - NDPA

Drowning is fast, silent, and can happen in as little as 30 seconds. No Splashing with Drowning. No Waving. No Yelling.

https://ndpa.org/drowningdoesntlooklikedrowning/

Eastermuppet · 06/06/2025 13:04

On holiday, I've had a young child come into the pool without an adult and I've felt obliged to remain until he left, about 7 Yr old and very poor swimmer, he stayed for 20 mins and left on his own account. I have a holiday home with communal pool and on occasion I've left the pool area as can't relax with unaccompanied young children who are non / poor swimmers. I am surprised there are not more drownings when on holidays, adults appear to forget their job when on holiday

Icedcaramelfrappe · 06/06/2025 13:05

I would hate for any parent who had been affected by this to see this, it feels very judgemental

roundaboutthehillsareshining · 06/06/2025 13:07

As a teenager, I was a beach lifeguard. And I once rescued a small child out of the sea when her mum was stood within arms reach of her, but hadn't picked up on the subtle signs that she was in distress. To this day I don't know what made me look as I was scanning the beach, but I saw the child wasn't having fun splashing her mum any more, was tired and trying to keep herself above water. I ran in, picked her up and carried her out, she burst into tears, her mum shouted at me (then came back to apologise once the adrenaline had worn off).

Kids can be taught from a very young age what to do if they're worried in water (stop splashing, roll onto your back, relax and breathe), and parents need to watch videos of kids in distress in water so they know what to look for.

EastEndQueen · 06/06/2025 13:07

I agree OP and my heart goes out to them. I’ve always been very strict on 100% watching in water - if I’m with DH and/or more adults then we take 30 minutes ‘shifts’ where you 100% watch the children and don’t try to simultaneously relax, read a book or whatever. And take turns. I refuse to go on beach/ pool type holidays without a kids club for this exact reason so I can get an actual break in a way that is safe.

Agree with what others have said about cultural difference. My au pair is Australian and is VERY on it with water safety.

EastEndQueen · 06/06/2025 13:10

ShesTheAlbatross · 06/06/2025 12:56

I think the fact you say it was just you does make it a bit easier. I wonder if often in tragedies like this, both parents are half watching because they assume the other is paying attention. If you had, say, 4 adults (parents and grandparents) sitting around talking at the pool, no one has their full attention on the children and are probably all thinking “well there’s four adults to two children, of course it’s fine and supervised”. But then one person goes to the loo, the other needs to send a text, two are distracted by a conversation and suddenly no one even has half an eye on the children.
One parent alone knows no one else is watching.

This exactly @ShesTheAlbatross it’s 4-6 adults all 90% watching that I think can be so risky. The 10% distracted time can combine and suddenly no one is watching

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 06/06/2025 13:10

IMO half the trouble nowadays is parents who kid themselves they’re watching their kids, but for much of the time they’re glued to their phones.

As someone whose under 2 very nearly drowned at an unsupervised pool (while I had my back turned very briefly, collecting up wet towels, toys etc. I am all too painfully aware of how quickly and easily it can happen. I will never forget pulling her from the water*. face, staring eyes, not breathing.
*It was just the very shallow ‘baby’ end of the pool, too.

Ophy83 · 06/06/2025 13:10

My school friend's family had a pool in their garden. One day her mum was taking laundry upstairs and left her toddler sister watching TV downstairs. The mum happened to glance out the upstairs window to see the toddler face down in the pool - the mum jumped out the window into the pool and got her out, but could so easily not have seen her. She didn't even know she was outside let alone in the pool. Fortunately she was OK, it could have been very different. The rules on pools being securely fenced in Aus are very sensible.

hardtocare · 06/06/2025 13:11

I think you’re probably spot on that it was easier in a way because you were solely responsible. When there’s more than one of you, you sometimes think someone else is watching the kids. I once found my neighbour’s one year old in the street. They were having a family party, the door was unlocked and everyone thought someone else was watching her. I feel like this could be similar

JessicaDing · 06/06/2025 13:11

Water should really be considered such a hazard for anyone under fives. Baths, buckets, fish ponds, lakes near playgrounds. A swimming pool is such a thing that needs to be taken seriously, I suspect on holidays if someone has one in their villa or airbnb backyard they might just not be used to it and don't think about how easily a child could just slip out side and wander over. Even for home-owners, the anxiety I would have around one, even fully fenced until they're at least 7 would be intense.

Ages 5-10 is hard, because they can seem so confident, but they also can panic easily, tire out easily, make questionable choices and all the sorts. It's just such an awful risk. But also, one needs to learn how to swim and I really do question the over use of floaties, paddlejumpers and even lifejackets if it is holding back the increased skill of swimming. I think the problem is how one defines "swimming" is hard.
A news stories might say "a child drowned while swimming in the sea", but the details might be they were wading up to their knees then a rouge wave hit them, and washed them out. Well, I'd hardly say they were swimming before that. So circumstance and context is so important.

Also the main issue of drowning being so damn silent. No screaming or flailing, be it so simple. Or the assumption that a hotel pool has a lifeguard, and that lifeguards themselves are babysitters (I don't like that mindset).

I am more forgiving than most on news stories when a children is 10+ drowns, I don't like jumping to the "where are the parents??" style comments one often sees as a first gut reaction. Anyone who really thinks about preteen and teenage behaviour knows that very easily they could go to a lake, river or friend's pool without a parent really being in the loop on such a thing. And while it's easy to be a perfect parent online, real life is much harder. If you have a child who is 11 or 12, who is a perfectly fantastic swimmer and has never shown a sense of fault in their life. Then while letting them going to swim in a backyard pool or hotel pool without supervision while might at be to many ill-advised on paper, we need to be real here and admit it's more normal than people might like to admit (and many would never admit letting it happen). Pretending it isn't helpful.

I'm not endorsing it, but just how a child walking to school can be kidnapped, or a horse rider can fall off and snap their neck, things can happen in any scenario and compassion is always required. I don't like the victim blaming of parents who let their kids walk to school acting as if they did something wrong, same with an preteen or teenager in a pool. Reality often doesn't align with perfect, and we must still show compassion when something goes wrong, not just instantly blame and say it was inevitable, when perhaps they swam 99 times before without an issue and it wasn't really fair to call it inevitable. Often when you look into these stories when it comes to pools it really come down to one of three scenarios.

  1. The child frankly couldn't swim and lacked ability.
  2. A shallow water blackout, a terrible thing that affects sadly strong swimmers.
  3. A medical episode, such as a seizure.
  4. A total freak accident, ala hair getting caught in a pool drain or the like.

Education is key, ensuring children themselves understand specific hazards is key. Saying to a preteen "you might drown" is pointless, better to teach of hyper specific hazards, such as the dangers of breath holding and shallow water blackout, currents, rip-tides, cold water shock, spinal injuries etc. Not to scare them, but to make them understand all the things that can go wrong, to respect the water and its power.
The other uncomfortable one was that someone else could drag them under if they begin to panic, or even if the child was acting the hero (as is a normal gut react, to help). Drowning doesn't just happen, there's always a reason. A healthy preteen who is a good swimmer won't just randomly drown in a pool out of nowhere, there's always a reason for it.
And for many, that reason is enough to always watch them, but I can perfectly understand those more loose as well and I honestly cannot judge them, at the end of the day, these can be truly freak accidents.

For my part, I simply followed the pool rules at the location. If it said nobody under 12 without a parent, then that was that, no matter if I thought my son was fine at 11, I allowed the sign be my backup there. Mercifully I didn't come across many pools that said 10.
Although my irrational fear was more an adult of ill-intention targeting him because he liked to wear speedos. My son wanted to wear speedos swimming, I let him. It's his choice and that's fantastic, I'd never wish to victim blame him no more than a girl in a bikini. A child child should be allowed to express. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't more willing to go with him at a hotel pool, not because I thought he'd drown, but because a fear someone might see him alone and chat him up. But then I could never judge another who didn't have these fears and wasn't thinking down those lines.

Bottom line is, for older children who drown in pools. Have compassion to them and their parents.

SnemonyLicket · 06/06/2025 13:14

The last holiday I went on included 4 children aged 1, 2, 3 and 6 years old. Before we went we bought all the children life vests to wear around the pool so if they fell/got pushed/jumped in it would give us a chance to rescue them. We also had the rule that none of the parents would drink alcohol during the day. And we also had a strict rule that we did a very vocal handover- so if I was watching my dd and nephew playing near to the pool and needed the toilet I would then pick another available adult and say “DH, I am going to the toilet. You are now in charge of dd and nephew”. The whole process worked really well over all…and yet despite that we still had one incident of my nephew (3 yo) getting into a rage at breakfast and running towards the pool to deliberately scare my sister and BIL, then tripping and toppling into the pool. Fortunately it was the shallow end so he could just about touch the bottom and he was quickly fished out.

So I agree that parents need to take more responsibility with their kids on holiday and not be so complacent, but there are also times when kids do completely random things that unwittingly endanger their lives and sometimes the parents have done everything they can but it still ends in disaster.

JessicaDing · 06/06/2025 13:14

And really for any age for that matter. If a parent was sleeping, and a child somehow made it out. That doesn't mean the parent hadn't locked the door. Toddlers are so quick, children 5-7 can be cunning and lie, sneak and do things.

We must always have compassion and not just to blame.

TwistedOrange · 06/06/2025 13:15

Oh how awful, that poor kid. Things happen SO quickly, what a tragic outcome.

I pulled a 6/7 year old girl out of a river once, we were at a regatta event and had set up picnic near the waters edge. It was busy, and these 2 girls were just in front of us and leaning really far over the water. I could see what was going to happen but just kept an eye as wasn’t sure who she was with. Sure enough she went in, I leapt up and laid down over the waters edge and managed to grab her under her arms and haul her out with the help of my mum. She was treading water but completely submerged and I can still see her face looking at me amongst all the weeds. It was bloody terrifying.

My mum asked her where her parents were and she walked with her to where they were - about 6 picnic blankets away, far enough to not be able to see her properly. Her mum just looked at her and said ‘why are you all wet’ my mum told her what happened but she didn’t really say a lot!

Hohofortherobbers · 06/06/2025 13:17

I recall watching cctv footage of a boy aged approx 7 struggling in a crowded pool without anyone noticing, he either couldn't call gif help as he was struggling so much to stay above the surface or the pool was too noisy for him to be heard. It went on for a painful minute before he slipped down only then was he noticed when someone trod on him, he was resuscitated miraculously. It's not always obvious someone is drowning Sad

Littlethingshelp · 06/06/2025 13:17

I don't know the details of the tragic case, so wouldn't want comment on it. However, from what I have observed, people often don't observe children carefully enough around water and especially on holiday. I don't think it is really possible to properly relax yourself whilst supervising children around water and people just don't like to accept it, as everyone is on holiday. You have to be watching them all the time. Someone needs to be responsible for each child at all times. Water parks are even worse than pool and the beach. At water parks I really think you need to have 1 adult her every small child, as they can go in all directions and be so hard to have an eye on at all times!

I like to only go to the pool for an hour each day on holiday and only have a couple of beach days, so we can have other more relaxing days! I also always put them in something bright that is visible under water, but really it is about watching them constantly. Exhausting

Hohofortherobbers · 06/06/2025 13:18

Also, do not buy blue or green or white swimwear, literally invisible under water.
Buy red, orange, black.

Doggymummar · 06/06/2025 13:19

Poopeepoopee · 06/06/2025 11:06

A lot of it is alcohol related. Thats why it happens more on holiday.

Don't drink when you're in charge of your children around water. Alcohol loosens your inhibitions and makes you more relaxed. Too relaxed.

I haven't seen the story we are discussing here, but I used to be a holiday rep I'm Malta. The number of pissed up parents asleep round the pool was horrific in the afternoons. We had one child drown and another got their arm stick in the drain. Some people are just crazy and how more didn't get into trouble I will never know.

scotstars · 06/06/2025 13:22

Agree OP it's scary how so many people leave kids unsupervised in pools. I am same position as you single parent so eyes always on I wonder if it's 1 of the situations where being a single parent is actually beneficial we were away recently at a waterpark with friends who were much more relaxed and thought I was paranoid

TheDevilFindsWorkForIdleMums · 06/06/2025 13:23

I had 2 toddlers with ASD who were bloody hard work. We still had holidays around pools and water we had eyes on constantly and were hypervilgilent at all times. At least one would have reins on usually both and I did not get the luxury of sitting on my arse......I can't get my head around this happening or kids going missing near water without parents realising. This isn't a child getting out of the house and drowning, this is a parent or parents making the choice to sit with them near water and not doing the basics because they're relaxed. And rightly or wrongly I do judge that.

Worldwide99 · 06/06/2025 13:23

Near miss here too. I was at the edge of the pool about to get in. DC who could swim but wasn’t confident pushed out from the edge but panicked and started to go under. Drowning is silent. If I hadn’t been watching him and about to enter the pool myself, it would only have taken seconds. I got to him and scooped him to the side but I struggled with the image of his head going under for a long time. Water is so dangerous.

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