To agree with increasing tax and more benefit cuts to pay for defence

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I was surprised to hear that Labour is to spend more on defence. We really do need to with the threats from Russia and run down of weapon stocks because they have been given to Ukraine. All of Europe needs to wake up. But I think they realise this.

I’m with the yabu majority. Enough tax rises already. Labour have already done this enough in first ten months.

Then you've heard wrong

Deep joy. A benefits bashing thread in disguise.

A pensioner is someone pension aged.
Why is that ‘so called’. What’s confusing

Yeah let's shoot 'em all or would you just prefer to sink them all 🙄

An asylum seeker is someone seeking asylum. Why is that "so called"?

Tax cuts are likely to reduce tax revenue by disincentivising economic activity and shrinking the economy. Governments spent like cutting their cloth, but we’ve reached the stage where they are going to have to face reality. Our economy is not big enough or resilient enough to withstand tax rises.

I do think there will come a tipping point where we literally can’t afford to pay for anything, our bond yields are already higher than when Liz Truss did her thing. I’m worried that we have to go to zero overnight and we face extreme cuts if we don’t pare back now. I’m not sure you can tax people anymore either.

But yes I support cutting back on other things to pay for defence. I think we also have to be much more creative. The Ukrainian strike on bombers and the Israeli pager attack on Hezbollah are examples of the kind of warfare that will probably be utilised more in the future.

*Tax rises are likely to reduce tax revenue by disincentivising economic activity and shrinking the economy. Governments spent like cutting their cloth, but we’ve reached the stage where they are going to have to face reality. Our economy is not big enough or resilient enough to withstand tax rises.

Exactly. Are we supposed to be grateful to have our disability benefits cut and just hope they name a warhead after us or something ?!

Absolutely this.

The top 1% of earners already pay c. 28% of all income tax. Well-paid workers on PAYE are a sitting duck for this government, but we need to find ways to spend less. We already have a highly redistributive tax system, but Labour seems determined to test the Laffer curve to destruction.

This smells a lot like a stealth benefit bash thread , though I may be wrong, who knows 🤔.

Which benefit would you propose cutting?

I didn’t post that pp but I assume because they have to put in an application to be accepted for asylum and some are refused.

However
Theres no ambiguity towards what a pensioner is.

The idea that you can "cut benefits to pay for Defence" is an absolute nonsense anyway, and nothing more than a soundbite intended to get the usual right-wing mouthbreathers agitated.

The recent PIP cuts are intended to save £5billion or thereabouts. Go look at the cost of doing anything meaningful in Defence. £5bil is a drop in the ocean.

Presumably anyone who doesn’t get the 4 points in accordance with the new requirements. As yet unpublished

Until such time a claim is processed all claims are considered legitimate, so there is no such thing as a "so called" asylum seeker, hence why that's nothing more than a banal attempt to delegitimise a human being by the use of a meaningless phrase.

If you propose, as this poster did, simply removing the pittance that all asylum seekers are granted, then you clearly have no empathy whatsoever for the majority of people whose claims are entirely legitimate and ultimately granted, i.e. you are nothing more than an inhumane, frothing simpleton, hence why I used "so called" pensioners to highlight the idiotic use of that term.

Given the OPs other posts and attitude to those of us on pip, I'm surprised they haven't suggested bringing back the workhouses

It's not a surprise.

The OP has a history of not being sympathetic to us plebs on benefits.

I honestly can't be bothered wasting my breath any more explaining the issues with the upcoming cuts to disability benefits.

People that care do, and people that don't never will.

And they'll waste billions more because so many people are appealing. I do remember the idea of pip was to save money but with the amount of people appealing it's cost far more

Well we could all argue that point couldn’t we, about where are taxes are spent depending on our own personal preferences and circs. By that rationale, I am paying way too much for services that I don’t use.

This thread require simplistic responses as it’s already going way off track

The existing descriptors and the scores attached to them aren't changing, nothing new to be published there.

The change is purely that at least one score of 4 is needed to obtain the daily living component of PIP.

So, as with the existing system, a person must score:

8 points for standard rate
12 points for enhanced rate

The change is that at least one of the descriptors must score 4 points or more.

It's not even that stealthy.

OP: 1/10 for effort. Must try harder.

Isn’t that a third of the allocated amount for nuclear warheads ?