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To think car ownership is out of control in the UK

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JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 13:27

I fully expect to get a vast majority of "YABU" comments, but here goes:

Firstly, before I get flamed - I am a woman, a car owner, and yes I have a driveway now (though didn't before). I am a car enthusiast in terms of the enjoyment I've got from driving and I don't have an issue with "cars" per se.

What I have an issue with is how ridiculous Britain's councils and governments are on car ownership. How cheap car ownership is. How anyone can distort the living environment around them with their choices.

Have you driven down a suburban street lately, or even an urban one?

Small and narrow Victorian streets with lines of cars packed on either side, and only room for one vehicle to drive down it. Why so many cars? The houses have been there for 150 years. Why now?

And because so many people (often fellow women, annoyingly) don't ever like reversing, you find yourself caught in the middle, having to reverse right back to the end of the street to start again.

School runs are chaos - so many cars, parking up in illegal or careless ways, purely to save a short distance walking.

And the size of cars! Absurdly large vehicles which then take up more road space on the kerbside. Yeah it is "legal" but in a decade where theoretically we want to get better as a country environmentally, most people do not give two fucks as long as their precious DCs are "safe" (you're just as safe in a NCAP 5* rated Yaris as you are in a Merc GLS, but try telling that to people where I live).

So this is the madness of today:

Cars are SO much bigger. And thanks to PCP they're cheaper - and this is why I see so many cars where I live ,and up north when I visit, and everywhere else. The PCP monthlies thing keys right into the British obsession of wanting to look and feel wealthy. Years ago a Golf or an Audi A3 would be considered posh for a family. But why would I buy a Golf when my monthly payments could get me into something BIGGER!

The one thing that isn't bigger, is the United Kingdom. I've seen councils in London paint "parking lines" half on the pavement so that people can park up on either side to let cars past. I've seen people in these Discoveries and Defenders mount kerbs at drop off time without a thought or care for who might be behind them or even aware of this being an issue.

And you can have 1 household in a street of 20 houses own 5 cars. You do the maths as to how much of the available parking is then taken away.

Why are people so aggressive and discourteous in their car ownership? What are we going to do about this?

Some of us remember 20 or 30 years ago when you could drive to another street and not have to face a x5 barrelling towards you, parked cars either side? With a tiny woman peering over the steering wheel refusing to reverse back into the space immediately behind her? But powering through so that you, in your little hatchback, have to reverse 10 car lengths to accommodate her ego and lack of driving skill?

Our city and town streets are not made for X5s, Discoveries, Range Rover Sports, and god knows what else, to be parked along the kerbside blocking out the light into tiny terraced houses.

How do we put a stop to this? I love the Japanese principle in certain cities where you have to name a parking space you own or have access to before you buy a car. Could this work here?

AIBU? How will we ever wean ourselves off this 'bigger is better, and every member of my family must have a car' mentality?

OP posts:
Elbowpatch · 03/06/2025 13:58

I quite like the Japanese idea of having to have somewhere to park the new vehicle before you can buy one but I don't see how it can work for second-hand vehicles.

Easy. You can’t transfer ownership or tax a vehicle unless you can prove you have a parking space.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 03/06/2025 14:03

Elbowpatch · 03/06/2025 13:58

I quite like the Japanese idea of having to have somewhere to park the new vehicle before you can buy one but I don't see how it can work for second-hand vehicles.

Easy. You can’t transfer ownership or tax a vehicle unless you can prove you have a parking space.

Let's make life more difficult for people who can't afford a house with a drive 🙄

JenniferBooth · 03/06/2025 14:16

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 03/06/2025 11:47

I’m a rural community nurse so will always need my car unfortunately, public transport just ain’t going to cut it there same for my colleagues and other home carers

i have to park on the street due to being in a HA house and having to take what they offered and it has no drive way so currently electric car is also out of the question for us

Edited

Well housing associations can be assured in the knowledge that they dont have to thanks to the attitudes shown here ............https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5329859-council-houses-owning-brand-new-cars

Council houses owning brand new cars? | Mumsnet

I’m writing this post with the hopes of being educated, not slandered however I completely appreciate I may be just completely shot down for askin...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5329859-council-houses-owning-brand-new-cars

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 03/06/2025 14:22

JenniferBooth · 03/06/2025 14:16

Well housing associations can be assured in the knowledge that they dont have to thanks to the attitudes shown here ............https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5329859-council-houses-owning-brand-new-cars

I saw that thread, I was quite angry about it as yes I live in a HA house but as already stated I am a community nurse and do have a new car as I need something I can rely on for my job, it’s an older property so never had a drive

JenniferBooth · 03/06/2025 14:23

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 03/06/2025 14:22

I saw that thread, I was quite angry about it as yes I live in a HA house but as already stated I am a community nurse and do have a new car as I need something I can rely on for my job, it’s an older property so never had a drive

Yeah its the usual MN cognitive dissonance.

JustAnInchident · 03/06/2025 14:39

I wonder how much of this issue, aside from cats being bigger these days, is the fact that young people can’t afford to move out of the family home as easily anymore. This would lead to more working adults in the same household needing (to what extent could be debated of course!) vehicles to travel to work etc.
Also, less mums are sahms these days I think, again due to life costing a fortune, so where they may have been fine to pootle about with the kids by walking or using public transport, they now find themselves needing a car to commute/get the kids to nursery etc.

BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 03/06/2025 14:49

TY78910 · 02/06/2025 22:15

Pleeeeeease someone tell me it’s not ‘stop the boats’ 🤣🤣🤣

I'm not sure the OP is complaining about boats clogging the high street in towns up and down the country, but you never know!😂😂⛵🚢

JacquesHarlow · 03/06/2025 14:53

BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 03/06/2025 14:49

I'm not sure the OP is complaining about boats clogging the high street in towns up and down the country, but you never know!😂😂⛵🚢

No, I’m really not.
not once have I mentioned immigration or any such thing. I’m second generation born of an immigrant parent and I just have no desire or rational need to even go to that level or argument

OP posts:
Kago2790 · 03/06/2025 14:55

Badbadbunny · 03/06/2025 13:30

But not high enough. We're talking about substantial increases to make any difference.

Exactly magnify the disparity by 1000% You can still have a massive SUV but will pay for the damage to roads and extra space taken. In reality, we will see loads more small cars and much fewer oversized cars.

Elbowpatch · 03/06/2025 15:05

Kago2790 · 03/06/2025 14:55

Exactly magnify the disparity by 1000% You can still have a massive SUV but will pay for the damage to roads and extra space taken. In reality, we will see loads more small cars and much fewer oversized cars.

I doubt it will make much difference. Although SUVs represented 38% of new car sales last year, only a small proportion of them were “massive”.

BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 03/06/2025 16:18

Elbowpatch · 02/06/2025 22:53

If it’s that blindingly obvious, surely you know.

Care to share?

I was hoping the OP had the answer to it all...

Redpeach · 03/06/2025 16:19

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 03/06/2025 14:03

Let's make life more difficult for people who can't afford a house with a drive 🙄

Life is already difficult for thousands of people because of too many cars on our roads

Redpeach · 03/06/2025 16:22

JustAnInchident · 03/06/2025 14:39

I wonder how much of this issue, aside from cats being bigger these days, is the fact that young people can’t afford to move out of the family home as easily anymore. This would lead to more working adults in the same household needing (to what extent could be debated of course!) vehicles to travel to work etc.
Also, less mums are sahms these days I think, again due to life costing a fortune, so where they may have been fine to pootle about with the kids by walking or using public transport, they now find themselves needing a car to commute/get the kids to nursery etc.

Home address doesn't change the amount of cars on the road

BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 03/06/2025 16:42

JacquesHarlow · 03/06/2025 14:53

No, I’m really not.
not once have I mentioned immigration or any such thing. I’m second generation born of an immigrant parent and I just have no desire or rational need to even go to that level or argument

We know dear, we were taking the piss.

MyNeedyLilacBird · 03/06/2025 16:48

I don't disagree op- car bloat is a massive issue in this country. It seems every bloody car is a 4x4 and massive- lots seem to be driven by ignorant twats with no care for spacial awareness or other road users.

Also seems every member of a household these days needs a car apparently- kids included!!

There seriously needs to be something done. However the big issue in this country is that public transport is too scarce, not reliable and far too expensive. Until that's sorted nothing will change. Though they could do something to limit the size of cars- unless you live in the country on a farm, you don't need a massive 4x4.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 03/06/2025 16:53

Redpeach · 03/06/2025 16:19

Life is already difficult for thousands of people because of too many cars on our roads

So let's make it harder for other people as well. DH and I were sensible, we bought what we could afford which was a terraced maisonette with no off street parking. He was a handyman and wouldn't have been able to work without a car and I needed a car to get to my job. If some privileged idiot had decided that we couldn't have cars he wouldn't have been able to work. I presume it would have been better if he was on benefits than parking in the street 🙄

DiscoBeat · 03/06/2025 17:05

Always wait till after the coffee before posting.

Telemicus · 03/06/2025 17:06

I live near a town where they are building a block of 100+ flats right next to a train station, which has regular fast trains into central London. The developers have provided no parking at all for these, on the basis that they are in a town and they envisage cars are not necessary. Which is probably largely true. However, blatantly half the people who move in will want a car for whatever reason. Maybe sometimes for good reasons. Car parking in surrounding streets will clearly become a nightmare.

I think that a good approach here would be for the government to mandate that while you live in one of these new flats, you no longer have a right to own a car. And that will be clear and well known before the flats even go on sale. So the price of those flats will be reduced, which might really suit those who actually plan to use public transport.

vadypops · 03/06/2025 17:23

StMarie4me · 02/06/2025 13:48

So YOU have a car, but don’t think anyone else should.

Okay

Gotcha.

Ever thought of running for Reform? They’d love you there.

nailed it with this !

OP’s clearly looking for an argument . And maybe if they didn’t have such an apparent attitude problem they may be able to have a discussion rather than snapping at anyone who doesn’t take what’s they’re saying as gospel !

Wtafdidido · 03/06/2025 17:27

We be live in the. Ou try with NO public transport and have three cars and drivers all needing cars for work and one spare currently off road. We need them and there is no practical way of car sharing so feel totally justified.

CrochetHooked · 03/06/2025 17:35

Redpeach · 03/06/2025 16:22

Home address doesn't change the amount of cars on the road

It affects the distribution of those cars though, which is why we have urban areas with more cars than parking spaces. Which happens to be one of the OP's main points.

Iheartmysmart · 03/06/2025 17:41

I’ve been invited to go and stay with a friend in a couple of weeks time. My options are to drive - 450 mile round trip which will take about 8 hours and cost me £50 in petrol maximum or I could go by train which is a 12 hour round trip and will cost £170. Plus either a taxi to and from the station at £13 each way or parking there for £9.50 a day. The train will undoubtedly be overcrowded and running late as well as being three times the price of driving. It’s not even worth considering.

ilovemyskunks · 03/06/2025 17:50

We are a one car family but have a big 4x4. I think you are being unreasonable as we only have a 4x4 due to an issue with my back - they are the only cars that seem to have nearly totally flat seats at the back, I cannot sit in some of the modern smaller cars as the curved seats absolutely cripple me. BTW if anyone knows of a car which has flat seat backs let me know!

Beautifulweeds · 03/06/2025 17:55

I agree the amount of cars now is off the scale, but I wouldn't say ownership was cheap 😳

Mrsbloggz · 03/06/2025 17:55

I think that a good approach here would be for the government to mandate that while you live in one of these new flats, you no longer have a right to own a car. And that will be clear and well known before the flats even go on sale. So the price of those flats will be reduced, which might really suit those who actually plan to use public transport
I'd vote for that @Telemicus but I dont think many others would, can you imagine the outcry if one had to qualify for the right to own a car😯