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Husband too defensive of SIL

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birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 14:50

DH and I have been married for about 5 years. Since before we were even married, DH seemed strangely close to his brother's wife. At first I thought nothing of this, until I met her. SIL is the ultimate "mean girl." She is in love with herself, brags about everything, especially things she knows she has that I may not, constantly looking for flattery from both her husband and mine, and since the day I met her pretends I am not in the room. She won't speak to me or eye contact but only talks to the men, like she is holding court with how adorable she is. She is very spoiled. She grew up with money and refused to work a day in her life, even before kids. She is an expert at making little comments and jabs at me that the men are completely oblivious to and then sitting with a satisfied smile while I silently stew. They are literally completely oblivious of everything about her.

DH did nothing but sing her praises from before I even met her, and I kept my opinions about her to myself for the first couple years of our marriage, even when visit after visit, she exhibited this nasty behavior. Less than a week after I found out I was pregnant (and having some early complications), DH jumped on a plane to go support SIL when her father died. Since the day I have met him, he calls her family "his family" and it took years before I got him to understand that her family are his brother's in-laws, and even then he was only able to consider this as a possibility when I asked, "Well, does your brother consider my parents to be HIS family?" His brother expects my husband to drop everything when his wife has some new drama good or bad, but I/we have had our own problems (health scares, pet deaths, etc) over the years and we have never looked to the brother for any sort of sympathy or support, nor would he be bothered to offer it. When we had our first child, DH did not get me flowers but a year later, when his brother's wife had their first baby, he sent her flowers to the hospital. I was furious and at this point, I let my feelings be known. It all came out and caused a huge argument. DH absolutely doesn't see my side of this, thinks so highly of his brother's wife, scoffed when I gave examples of nasty things SIL has said, and refused to even consider the validity of my feelings until I finally said that I refused to spend any more time with this woman. That he can see them on his own.

Now his entire family hates me, because of course, SIL was the original wife and I am the one who shunned their little darling. Her husband adores her and clearly, mine does too! She can do NO wrong in their eyes. DH and I have had a strained marriage in general, and it's so upsetting to me that she is Miss Perfect in his eyes while I am the person he argues with. A large part of the source of our arguments is that he has accused me of having such a problem with his family, when I am simply responding to the way I have been treated by them! I have expressed countless times how excited I was to finally get a sister/SIL, only to feel like I was shunned from day one, but DH views it as me vs his family and by his family, he means his brother's wife, too. I just feel like they made me the outcast and my DH has not helped matters.

OP posts:
Duvetsse · 23/05/2025 17:57

OP, kindly meant but what responsibility are you taking for knowing from the beginning that your husband has a very strange unnatural enmeshed relationship with his brother and SIL?

You chose to have children.
You chose to bring children into this absolutely toxic environment.

You are a willing scapegoat for his family.
You need to own it.

Having children with him was so wrong when you knew this.

It will never change.
I feel so sorry for you.

If you had a scrap of self-esteem or respect for yourself, you would have walked away years ago.

You certainly wouldn't have had more children with a man who would abandon you in hospital to go to his SIL's fathers funeral.

Batshit.

JHound · 23/05/2025 17:58

Afreshone · 23/05/2025 14:54

Since before we were even married, DH seemed strangely close to his brother's wife.

and you thought… “yep, this is the man I want to marry and spend my life with”

I mean Op, you knew about this before you married. A little odd to crack on nonetheless

This.

OP you should have binned this one ages ago.

You still can.

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:01

AyeDeadOn · 23/05/2025 15:04

Again, I don't find that all that unusual either. I've 3 kids. When they were born we both had more on our plates than thinking of flowers. I have no idea whether my husband sent flowers when his siblings had babies but I wouldn't find it odd or upsetting or a reason for jealousy if he did.

That’s weird.

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:03

haveyoouuuuuumetted · 23/05/2025 15:20

But isn’t this what most woman do? Get married to they guy despite all the red flags.

“Most” women?

EatMoreChocolate44 · 23/05/2025 18:03

I think you need to be super fake. Smile and nod and don't let her know she's annoying you. Life is too short and she's probably loving the division and drama. Your DH needs to dial it back a bit though.

rightinthedavinamccalls · 23/05/2025 18:09

AyeDeadOn · 23/05/2025 17:53

OP doesn't want her in laws to mention these events in her life, it seems. I drove home a 5 hour round trip from a family holiday to attend the funeral of my sister in law's father. It didn't occur to me not to go!

Are you Irish by any chance?

Ooops sorry, just seen your other post saying that you are. Knew it.

SpryCat · 23/05/2025 18:11

You’re an outcast in the family and your H has helped put you there, I would accept the situation and leave him @birdsfeather. You are always going to be second best and your feelings ignored. To stay will make you more and more miserable, you need to plan your exit.

ForFunGoose · 23/05/2025 18:11

OP has a scoreboard in her head but nobody else knows the rules of the game.
It’s very childish and unfair to everyone!

Nominative · 23/05/2025 18:11

She is an expert at making little comments and jabs at me that the men are completely oblivious to and then sitting with a satisfied smile while I silently stew.

There's your answer - stop stewing at things she says. She only does it for the reaction. If you ignore it or laugh it off, she'll stop out of boredom.

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:12

HerNeighbourTotoro · 23/05/2025 17:11

OP gave quite a few clear examples of it, but even worse, she provided many that her husband does neithe rlove her nor sees her as family despite being her husband.

I read all her posts and saw no evidence for it. Lots of projection in this thread as usual from the LTB brigade!

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:13

birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 17:24

To clarify, I had been in hospital twice in the week I had found out about my pregnancy and doctors were telling me to expect a miscarriage "at any moment." He got on a plane to attend his brother's wife's father's funeral. There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.

There is no cultural dynamic here. I agree that DH must take action for himself, but his entire family has put enormous pressure on him to constantly orbit the brother and SIL's world and it's like they cannot adjust to DH now having his own family. BIL made it extremely clear that DH was not just needed there, but EXPECTED, and that him not showing up would be unforgiveable.

We were also expected to leave our 2 month old baby at home for a weekend to attend the SIL's brother's child-free wedding out of town. DH couldn't understand that we had an infant, etc, because his entire family puts these expectations on him. Again, this wasn't for his family, but for his brother's in-laws.

The relationship with DH and his brother is very one-sided but DH is extremely protective of his brother. When BIL and SIL lost a pet, we sent a card and DH called. When our dog died, not a word. Everything is about BIL and SIL.

I really looked forward to having a relationship with SIL, especially since DH spoke so highly of her. But from the beginning she made it clear how she felt about me. She didn't even bother to come to my hen night. They were in town so the guys could go out the same weekend and SIL chose to sit in the hotel by herself saying she was tired. I didn't make a fuss and DH and BIL didn't care. I suspect if the situation were reversed, the entire family would be thinking the worst of me. My BIL certainly would have been outraged.

I would have left him then.
I am in hospital and worried about a very real miscarriage threat.

He abandons me to go and support his SIL?

He would return to find his bags on the doorstep

Ilovr · 23/05/2025 18:13

I find it so weird that people are saying OP is jealous. Jealous of what ? This whole thing is just weird. Your husband should be your "cover" OP. If you don't feel covered and supported by your husband then what exactly is his role ? I know how it feels to be around someone who is attention seeking, needy and thrives on drama, while others fail to see it for what it is. Your husband is behaving like a love struck teenager. Sick

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:14

birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 17:24

To clarify, I had been in hospital twice in the week I had found out about my pregnancy and doctors were telling me to expect a miscarriage "at any moment." He got on a plane to attend his brother's wife's father's funeral. There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.

There is no cultural dynamic here. I agree that DH must take action for himself, but his entire family has put enormous pressure on him to constantly orbit the brother and SIL's world and it's like they cannot adjust to DH now having his own family. BIL made it extremely clear that DH was not just needed there, but EXPECTED, and that him not showing up would be unforgiveable.

We were also expected to leave our 2 month old baby at home for a weekend to attend the SIL's brother's child-free wedding out of town. DH couldn't understand that we had an infant, etc, because his entire family puts these expectations on him. Again, this wasn't for his family, but for his brother's in-laws.

The relationship with DH and his brother is very one-sided but DH is extremely protective of his brother. When BIL and SIL lost a pet, we sent a card and DH called. When our dog died, not a word. Everything is about BIL and SIL.

I really looked forward to having a relationship with SIL, especially since DH spoke so highly of her. But from the beginning she made it clear how she felt about me. She didn't even bother to come to my hen night. They were in town so the guys could go out the same weekend and SIL chose to sit in the hotel by herself saying she was tired. I didn't make a fuss and DH and BIL didn't care. I suspect if the situation were reversed, the entire family would be thinking the worst of me. My BIL certainly would have been outraged.

Also you keep blaming his family. It’s not his family. It’s him for being pathetic and you for putting up with it

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:16

CosyLemur · 23/05/2025 17:45

She's a mean girl but here you are slagging off the whole of your DHs family on Mumsnet!

She isn’t slagging them off.

She is describing their behaviour.

GarlicPile · 23/05/2025 18:16

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:12

I read all her posts and saw no evidence for it. Lots of projection in this thread as usual from the LTB brigade!

I think you've misunderstood what 'projection' is. Posters here are putting themselves in OP's shoes. That's not projection, it's empathy.

Lotsofsnacks · 23/05/2025 18:17

Op how can u not say anything to that madam?! I could not stop myself!! Play her at her own game, give her dirty looks first, as the family don’t make an effort with you anyway!! Nothing to lose now.

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:18

GarlicPile · 23/05/2025 18:16

I think you've misunderstood what 'projection' is. Posters here are putting themselves in OP's shoes. That's not projection, it's empathy.

Well no, I haven’t misunderstood, because filling in your own details and leaping to conclusions based on few facts is pretty textbook definition.

This is a discussion forum — I offered my advice based on how I read and understood the OP’s various posts. It’s tiresome that you get posters dismissing you and making it personal for no reason other than they disagree. It’s childish.

Wednesdayisme · 23/05/2025 18:19

I'll echo other posters it sounds like he's in love with her.
It's not normal to put a sil above his own wife. His family also sound really weird there's close then there is obsessed ,you need to have a think if you want this life it'll only get worse.

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:19

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:12

I read all her posts and saw no evidence for it. Lots of projection in this thread as usual from the LTB brigade!

So abandoning your wife, the same week she has been in hospital with pregnancy complications and told to fear miscarriage is what exactly?

BagelandEggs · 23/05/2025 18:20

It sounds like it's a weird competitive dynamic between the brothers which started before your husband met you and the brother and wife seem to enjoy! Does your husband's family worship her because she comes from a rich family and they are snobbish about it? It's like when you have a friend who always has to have all the attention and is competitive with you because she's incredibly insecure and all the blokes still think she's amazing because she flirts with them! I would either leave the whole lot of them or be the mature person who stays out of it and just laughs at their ridiculous shenanigans!

1HappyTraveller · 23/05/2025 18:21

birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 17:24

To clarify, I had been in hospital twice in the week I had found out about my pregnancy and doctors were telling me to expect a miscarriage "at any moment." He got on a plane to attend his brother's wife's father's funeral. There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.

There is no cultural dynamic here. I agree that DH must take action for himself, but his entire family has put enormous pressure on him to constantly orbit the brother and SIL's world and it's like they cannot adjust to DH now having his own family. BIL made it extremely clear that DH was not just needed there, but EXPECTED, and that him not showing up would be unforgiveable.

We were also expected to leave our 2 month old baby at home for a weekend to attend the SIL's brother's child-free wedding out of town. DH couldn't understand that we had an infant, etc, because his entire family puts these expectations on him. Again, this wasn't for his family, but for his brother's in-laws.

The relationship with DH and his brother is very one-sided but DH is extremely protective of his brother. When BIL and SIL lost a pet, we sent a card and DH called. When our dog died, not a word. Everything is about BIL and SIL.

I really looked forward to having a relationship with SIL, especially since DH spoke so highly of her. But from the beginning she made it clear how she felt about me. She didn't even bother to come to my hen night. They were in town so the guys could go out the same weekend and SIL chose to sit in the hotel by herself saying she was tired. I didn't make a fuss and DH and BIL didn't care. I suspect if the situation were reversed, the entire family would be thinking the worst of me. My BIL certainly would have been outraged.

He went to the funeral whilst you were in hospital twice with a threatened miscarriage? Have I read that correctly? If so he is either selfish or spineless (or both?) and I’m so sorry. I cannot believe that he left you in hospital for that becaue he didn’t want sh*t from his family. Any normal family would tell him to stay and support you! You were in hospital FFS. With HIS BABY!!!!! 🤬

I have read through all your replies.

Your DH is in love with his SIL.
Your SIL likes the attentions she also sees you as a threat.

Tbh you need to ask yourself if you can be happy living the rest of your life being second place to this person? You will never come first. Your DH seemingly doesn’t want to do anything about it and is happy with the status quo. Are you sure you want to stay married to a man who refuses to see things from your point of view and doesn’t back you? You’re meant to be a team. He seems to prefer third-wheeling with his brother and your SIL.

Your MIL is a facilitator of all of this.

The family dynamics are f*cking weird!!!

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:21

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:19

So abandoning your wife, the same week she has been in hospital with pregnancy complications and told to fear miscarriage is what exactly?

I’m not sure we’ve had the full story from OP, tbh. That update was made after I posted, but it sure feels like a drip feed.

The fact is, relationships are messy and complicated, and people are imperfect. My first thought reading that would be, was her husband terrified of a miscarriage and engaging in avoidant behaviour? I don’t see that this is some smoking gun that he is in love with his SIL. But perhaps the OP has other bombs to post.

ShortColdandGrey · 23/05/2025 18:22

CosyLemur · 23/05/2025 17:45

She's a mean girl but here you are slagging off the whole of your DHs family on Mumsnet!

SIL has joined the chat 😂 She isn't slagging them off she is giving examples of their behaviour and they all sound awful.

thepariscrimefiles · 23/05/2025 18:23

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:12

I read all her posts and saw no evidence for it. Lots of projection in this thread as usual from the LTB brigade!

So you don't think that this is evidence of his lack of love and care for his own pregnant wife?

'To clarify, I had been in hospital twice in the week I had found out about my pregnancy and doctors were telling me to expect a miscarriage "at any moment." He got on a plane to attend his brother's wife's father's funeral. There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.'

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:27

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:21

I’m not sure we’ve had the full story from OP, tbh. That update was made after I posted, but it sure feels like a drip feed.

The fact is, relationships are messy and complicated, and people are imperfect. My first thought reading that would be, was her husband terrified of a miscarriage and engaging in avoidant behaviour? I don’t see that this is some smoking gun that he is in love with his SIL. But perhaps the OP has other bombs to post.

So you are accusing others of “projecting” to fill in the gaps while you dismiss anything OP says that does not correspond to the narrative you want?

Sounds a little hypocritical.

You seem especially keen to exonerate the DH and criticise OP other MNetters.

Why?

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