Junior Doctors Unemployment in August

[PurpleFairyLights]

Name changed but long term poster. Have a child that is in this situation with 100k of student debt.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2025-05-07/bma-we-could-potentially-see-thousands-of-unemployed-doctors

Unbelievable this was allowed. Most countries protect their medical graduates.

@385nfw if those staff were not forced to go abroad, because of lack of jobs or pay/conditions, then we would have more than enough. People are going abroad as they don’t have jobs ! Over 70% of F2s in my Dads deanery have nothing for 6/8, despite applying for every job they can. One has some locums. What are they supposed to do ?

Which countries are UK doctors going to?

The only countries I know of are NZ and OZ and the jobs are leftovers and for 1-2 years.

UK grads take priority like 195 countries then IMGs after.

@PurpleFairyLightsUS and Canada. And S Africa recruiting too. Malta and Cyprus. Always behind local graduates

US take very few doctors from abroad. It used to be impossible. USMLE should really be taken in 5th year of med school. The jobs available are the ones US doctors do not want. I read S Africa was not easy to get into.

My DS does not want to move abroad.

This is crazy that UKMG have to leave the country because NHS is paying to recruit doctors from India.

@PurpleFairyLights no one should be forced abroad. Ever. They should get jobs in their home country, like every other graduate abroad.

But US have made it much easier to get a job and several states now take without matching, they are desperate for our doctors too. S Africa are actively emailing F2s ! Other countries like our doctors as they are well trained and work hard.

Not an option unfortunately as DS life is in UK.

S.African Health Minister in January this year!

Doctors groups are warning that the rising number of unemployed junior doctors requires urgent action – with the South African Medical Association threatening legal action if the issue remains unresolved – but the Health Minister says the state is not obliged to employ them...

Motsoaledi said the government has no obligation to employ every unemployed doctor who has completed the internship and statutory community service phases.

“There is no special deal for some people because they are doctors. We also have unemployed nurses, unemployed social workers – all of them unfortunately, because of austerity measures and budgetary constraints.”

https://www.medicalbrief.co.za/minister-under-fire-as-number-of-jobless-doctors-grows/

I asked upthread for more info about SA actively recruiting UK doctors as it’s not been my experience at all, it’s a busy thread so maybe I’ve missed the responses but really interested to hear more?

@Blimeyblighty I’ll ask DD later as she’s had a few emails asking her to come. They are struggling in rural areas apparently. Again, only get the jobs the local staff don’t want.

But this is all a distraction. Most UK grads want to stay in the UK. They have family and lives here. They should not have to go anywhere just to work. Even Tebbit said get on your bike, not a 747.

Is SA still got areas that are dangerous? Also it will be like Oz where it is a stop gap for 1-2 years.

SA has got one of the highest murder rates of any country in the world. I can imagine there would be areas where SA medics were reluctant to work leading to the apparent paradox of unemployment amongst SA medics whilst young British medics are still being sent recruitment emails.

Not the same here. Most doctors this year will go anywhere there is a job.

Apart from the BAPIO Training Academy, does anyone know of any other similar agencies or training academies?

It certainly can. If working on a big corporate deal where deadlines are critical.

One of my DS's (lawyer in a Magic Circle firm; arguably the most generous/ most solicitous employer of all of those firms) worked several fourteen hour days last week followed by an even longer day ending at 2.45am followed by going into hospital for an operation early on the fifth day.

That's purely for illustrative purposes.

His older brother (registrar in a London teaching hospital) is currently on a seven day week: several long days starting yesterday, then a normal day, then a long day then two normal days. You couldn't put any clear water between them in terms of hours.

oddandelsewhere makes some excellent points, clearly from a position of knowledge. Thanks for your grounded posts.

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I'm not 100% but I don't think one can name change mid thread?

Literally anyone who has a contrary view or even a slightly different view from the main protagonists gets the seriously rude treatment. It comes as standard.

No-one should be entitled to a training place after F2 let alone subsequently purely because they managed to graduate from a UK medical school.

For those who think otherwise, check out some of the current group actions/ inquiries into clinical negligence. The Nottingham University Hospitals one took an additional turn today.

We need a pyramid system and we need the best senior doctors that are prepared to work in the NHS despite the state that it's currently in. My own DS is being trained by a fleet of extraordinary consultants (including world renowned experts), the majority of whom are IMGs. He's exceptionally grateful to be taught and mentored by them.

No one dies if a lawyer is very tired and makes a mistake.

Oh hello again. You are back unfortunately.

And have every right to be. At least I'm unfailingly polite even to those who hold different views.

They might well die themselves though, cycling home at 2.45am having arrived at the office at 9am after a run of several fourteen hour days.

Big law firms and banks provide taxis after hours.

A doctor could die cycling too. NHS rarely provide taxis.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT LAW. No one cares about law. It’s boring.

So off you pop. And you are never polite unfortunately and always wrong. May I recommend our little grey rock called Jeremy if other posters find rubbish being posted.

Doctors do not have jobs. About 20,000 of them anticipated to be unemployed come August (change over day). F2s, ST/CT3, GPs and even consultants. There are no jobs.

@PurpleFairyLightsI’d change that to NHS never provides taxis, or parking. Even if finish at 2am you find your own way home.

We are not interested in what lawyers do. They earn a huge salary so can afford a taxi home (although get a taxi home for free after 9pm).

That is an absolute classic. More like a smiling assassin.

No-one finishes at 2am in the NHS.

mumsneedwine do stop being so discourteous to other posters. It contravenes the MN guidelines.

You yourself asked about working patterns in the City and I replied directly to that question. You may take the view that law is 'boring'. However it impacts every single sphere of our lives, makes a difference to individual lives every single day, saves lives etc. Many lawyers become lawyers to make a difference. I would suggest that only those with the narrowest of narrow world views could judge it to be boring. That reflects on you but not it. Perhaps you simply don't understand what law is and what lawyers do.

If you didn't want any reference to law then you should have made that clear when you asked for information about City hours.

Totally agree put it in just in case one of the thread disrupters heard about someone getting a taxi from NHS at some point in the past 20 years that they would quote 😎