Mayflower primary school - nappy changing facilities for school aged children

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AIBU to think this shouldn't be necessary?

Not including those with sen, children should be potty trained before starting school - AIBU?

It always makes me laugh when I hear "parents are lazy these days they look at their phones and are gentle" as a reason for a primary age child to be in nappies. I mean come on I know literal children of heroin addicts who wouldn't want to be in a nappy at school. Alcoholics who drag their kids round pubs almost every day. Do people really think an otherwise normal parent being "lazy" is a reason? I'd say 99% of kids in nappies at school age have special needs not always been diagnosed yet.

I also agree.

Changing my 9 year old is hard work, I can't imagine many parents actually rather changing older children than potty training them if they are able to be potty trained because it is the harder option.

Of course. Must be very hard

Yes it is a valid point.

I was shocked that anti natal classes were no longer free according to my dds

Brilliant resource for SAHP maybe. Not for those whole are at work while these places open.

Do you really think a typical 5 year old would want to be in nappies ?

The ones in dds reception class don’t seem to give much of a shit to be fair.

How would you know
I'm assuming you are not sat in class with them all day?

People who can't see the link between the rise in SEND and primary school children in nappies are clueless.

There is a reason schools (not nurseries) suddenly need changing facilities and it's not lazy parenting. There have always been crap parents, it's not a new thing.

No but I have had them at my house when their parents have changed thier pull ups.

I’ve been at the park with them when they have told their parents they need to be changed.

I’ve been at parties, soft plays and a volunteer at the school.

So I have seen that they aren’t crying about it and don’t care. It’s perfectly normal to them.

My DDs best friend was still in nappies until Christmas, she turned 5 in October. Her mum is a useless idiot who can’t be arsed with any of her children. She prefers to stand smoking in her dressing gown on her doorstep shouting at her neighbours. Her dd and one of her older ones are at my house quite a lot as they are friends with my children and quite frankly, I feel sorry for them. Sweet kids with god awful parents, like so many where I live.

I think schools should be inclusive of the needs of all children that attend, so if that means having appropriate facilities for changing a child then I think that's a good thing. There are many reasons why a child may not be toilet trained by the time they start school, none of which are the fault of the child.

If people are so outraged about children still being in nappies when they start school maybe they should write to their MPs about the need to appropriately fund things like the health visiting service so people can access help with things like toilet training quickly, rather than having to wait weeks and weeks. Funding also needs to be increased to support young children who do not meet the high needs threshold of services like Portage, and waiting lists considerably shortened for SEN assessment and support for preschool children to give them the best chance when they start school.

Surely it has to be a combination of factors?

More SEN kids in mainstream schools
And
Nappies being too good that kids don't feel uncomfortable in them?

Back in the day, Mums wanted kids out of terry nappies because of the washing.
Mums are turning to forums who often say they'll do it when ready.

What a vile attitude.

It's common sense.

Could you imagine being faced with giving birth to a 22/23 weeker? You’d do anything to save them. In that moment, you wouldn’t be thinking about future needs and possible issues. You would just be consumed with love and the need to protect and have them live.

So if they know they need to be changed why are they not taking themselves off to the toilet?
Once they are aware it's pretty easy to say go to the toilet ?
Trust me it's not a walk in the park changing the nappy of much older child it really idnt.

This thread is awful

The ones who have been here with a parent, the parent will just do it as we arrive home from school. One just did it in the middle of the sitting room, pulled down the pull up from under her skirt and put another one on. The child just stood there chatting.

One did a poo at a soft play party told his mum and she went off and did it. She didn’t seem to traumatised by it.

I don’t think they are rolling round in shitty nappies fighting changes like a 12 month old.

I don’t know why they aren’t using the toilet. But from the parents I know, I can guess. The parents can’t be arsed to take them, they would rather just rip off a pull up and shove another one on that get off their arse. A lot of these children aren’t spoken to other than to be yelled at to fuck off.

There were a few still in nappies last September when they started reception, the parents were all very vocal about the school being on at them to potty train.

When I’ve been volunteering at the school, I’ve had a couple of children tell me they need changing (and you can smell it), and I tell a TA and they take them off.

Not seen it in the last couple of months though, so I think most are out of them now.

So what you're saying is that we should kill disabled babies as they don't deserve to live? There's no arguing with someone who holds that opinion, it's disturbing to say the least.

I suppose you don't extend it to children, adults or old people, just innocent babies.

Most working parents would have had the nursery or childminder to ask advice from. Or if not, the family members providing the childcare could take the child to the health visitor/sure start.

There will always be a small number of children who are the victims of lazy parenting but most children going to mainstream school still in nappies will be children with SN.

The criteria for children getting a place at special needs school is really strict these days. My son has autism and the emotional development of a toddler but he is going to mainstream secondary school in September because he doesn't meet the criteria for special needs school and the LA fought us every step of the way when we got his ehcp.

People also forget that children can also suddenly become disabled at any age through accident or illness.

My son was perfectly healthy until he was 8 and then all of a sudden he wasn't. I bet pp would soon change their tune if their child became disabled overnight which is exactly what happened to my son.

Well.exactly ,
My son didn't suddenly become disabled but he had a normal birth with no apparent disabilities, it was only when he failed to meet his milestones we realised there was a problem ,he was diagnosed with autism and learning disabilities at three and his needs are very complex he's 15 but cognitively around 2/3
But by the time we found out he was very much loved child
Nobody thinks they are going to have a child with disabilities but when it happens most parents still deeply love their children

My son has no learning disabilities though I was originally told to expect that when things were more unknown. He had cancer which caused a bowel obstruction which caused septic shock and multi organ failure including a cardiac arrest for 20 minutes.

He now can't walk due to nerve damage and muscle damage caused by sepsis, he almost had to have his leg amputated and his bowel has never worked the same since leaving him incontinent as well as unable to absorb food like he used to which means he needs medication or everything would just go right through him, the medication makes it slightly better.

It's tough, I never in a million years thought that a trip to the hospital for suspected dehydration due to a tummy bug would actually mean a 10 month stay in hospital and all of this happening but I'm so grateful that he's still here and any parent, no matter if it's at birth or 8 years old is likely going to feel the same.

Life is different, it is harder but it's still life with my son in it and it is much better than the alternative of not having him here at all.