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Friend wants to “save” me

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ApricotFlan · 14/05/2025 09:40

I have a friend who I’ve known for about seven years; we got to know each other better during lockdown as we were both furloughed and bored, and it was at the time when you could only do limited outdoor meet-ups. We have a lot in common, so stayed in close touch.

My friend was a bit of a wild child in her younger years - heavy drinking, constant partying, casual sex etc.. However, by the time we met she was teetotal. She says she doesn’t believe she was an alcoholic, but sometimes once she’d started she’d struggle to stop, so decided it was best to stop altogether. I massively admire her for that - it can’t have been easy, and she made the right choice to change something that wasn’t working for her anymore.

Unfortunately, she does have a habit now of treating anyone who drinks more than the odd glass of wine like they are in the same position she was. I like a drink and I don’t mind saying so - and I don’t need it policing. It wasn’t too bad at first, but the comments are getting worse. I can’t tell her I’ve been out anywhere without her asking whether I was drinking; am I sure I should be drinking two nights in a row; you don’t have to drink - I used to drink all the time and look at me now! It’s draining. I had a Coke when we were out a few weeks ago and she practically went into raptures, telling me how proud she was of me… I just fancied one!! I ended up going on to wine just to annoy her.

I have said a few times now - gently at first, but now more forcefully - that I understand that she felt she had an alcohol problem, and it’s great she tackled it, but I don’t feel the same. I’ve asked if she feels uncomfortable being around alcohol and would prefer to meet in a cafe, but no - apparently she likes the atmosphere of the pub and has no problem being around alcohol. (Just people who drink it…)

But it doesn’t stop there. As I mentioned earlier, she used to be, by her own admission, very promiscuous when she was younger - a bit of a rebellion against a religious upbringing. Well, she’s recently started getting back into the religion she grew up in and has decided to go celibate. Again, her choice, although it does seem like another “all or nothing” choice. But of course, she can’t just do this for herself and get on with it. I’m a happily single woman who has her “adventures” with men as and when, but now I daren’t tell her anything in case I get the sex version of the Evils of Alcohol speech. It’s all “That way of life is empty; I know, I’ve been there, but you can make the change, I did it!” ad infinitum. I don’t bloody want to change!

Time with friends is supposed to be enjoyable, but frankly now every time I meet up with her I feel like I’m being judged as some kind of drunken slut. I’m sick of trying to tell her that I’m not her; I don’t need to follow her example. Do I tell her that these subjects are now off limits, permanently, or that’s it?

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HowToSaveAWife · 14/05/2025 10:41

Oh God. I say this as someone who was totally sober for 5+ years and now I have the odd glass of wine: dump her. Seriously. She will not change. What exactly do you get from this friendship?

BestDIL · 14/05/2025 10:43

I stopped drinking alcohol after a particularly bad night out when my DS was around 3 years old. Threw up all the following day and decided that was enough for me. I was more of a binge drinker on Fridays and Saturdays and had a ball.

I feel much better not drinking but I would never judge anyone else who wanted to drink. The only thing that annoys me now is someone who is pissed but that's only because I can see that they are being silly. The odd glass of wine is nothing!

You need to either forcefully tell this friend to shut up about your alcohol intake or you need to distance yourself from her.

Iceandfire92 · 14/05/2025 10:45

Nothing worse than a preachy non-drinker! The irony that she loves to hang out in the pub in the midst of the people she is scoffing about. I would tell her to bore off and that Jesus said not to judge others.

Daleksatemyshed · 14/05/2025 10:47

She's one of those all or nothing people, that's fine but if she'd praised me for having a coke I'd have laughed at her. A proper friend you can speak to honestly and they'll listen, time to see her a lot less often, if she asks why tell her the truth

MrsSunshine2b · 14/05/2025 10:48

It sounds like she has a very addictive personality and has to take everything to extremes. She's either an alcoholic or teetotal, either promiscuous or celibate.

If you really want to save the friendship, you could tell her straight that you know she's not capable of moderation, and as such, it's better for her to be a teetotal celibate than a "drunken slut" as you put it, but that most people are perfectly able to drink moderately and have consensual sex without waking up in a different bed every morning. I.e. You are telling her that the problem is her, not the alcohol or the sex but her inability to control herself.

If that doesn't work then I think you have to let this one go.

TheeNotoriousPIG · 14/05/2025 10:48

Enjoy your status of being a "drunken slut" (by your own admission, OP!), and I second the suggestion that after giving up drinking and sex, judging people should be next! (Perhaps throw in that Matthew 7:1 says that, on the Sermon of the Mount, Jesus said, "Do not judge, or you too will be judged", although that might set her on a mission to save you for Christ).

Just out of interest, what religion has she gone back to? I'm assuming that it's stricter than your usual liberal religion if celibacy is a requirement of it!

ApricotFlan · 14/05/2025 10:51

Wow - I was not expecting these responses (in a good way)! I know MN has a bit of a reputation for being anti-alcohol, so I thought I’d get a few “Are you sure she doesn’t have a point?” type responses.

This has made me think I really need to lay it on the line to her. I don’t enjoy spending time with her anymore because of this.

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CautiousLurker01 · 14/05/2025 10:51

thepariscrimefiles · 14/05/2025 09:47

She's a different person now than the one you made friends with and used to have fun with. I think this friendship has probably run its course. She doesn't seem to have boundaries when it comes to imposing her new beliefs on you, so I would pull right back and stop seeing her.

Was coming on to say this. You now have different values and are in very different places in your life. I’m afraid I would probably ghost her from hereon - you’ve explained your position re alcohol, sex and religion and she’s blithely ignored you and stamped over your boundaries when you’ve asked her to back off. I think you need to focus on other/new friends.

CruCru · 14/05/2025 10:52

Honestly? Friends are people you have fun with and who make you feel good about yourself and the world. Rightly or wrongly, you are not giving each other what you need. Meet up with other people and swerve this one.

ApricotFlan · 14/05/2025 10:54

Just out of interest, what religion has she gone back to? I'm assuming that it's stricter than your usual liberal religion if celibacy is a requirement of it!

It’s a branch of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. She’s not “required” to be celibate as such - it’s just another example of how she goes to the extreme.

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Mirroar · 14/05/2025 10:55

You don't have to be friends with her, if you feel it's overwhelming then either just talk to her and be honest or move on. It is an annoying trait when people do this, invariably people who go all in on stuff like this are trying to convince themselves more than anything.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 14/05/2025 10:57

She is afraid of backsliding, so she is bolstering her decision by lecturing you. Perhaps she finds seeing you ‘indulging yourself’ a bit of a temptation.

I don’t know what you do about it though, there is only so much help you can give people if they won’t accept they have a problem.

SilviaSnuffleBum · 14/05/2025 11:01

Oh, God, that sounds tedious.
I'm a recovering alcoholic and addiction, plus I was very promiscuous when I was younger.
How I lived my younger years is not something I'm proud of, but I also understand why I was the way I was.
I've never tried to preach abstinence or celibacy to anyone. If I were genuinely concerned about a friend, I'd say so, hopefully, in a non-intrusive way, but I've never had cause to do so.
Just because I struggled doesn't mean my friends who drink occasionally or sometimes have 'casual sex have a problem. I haven't become holier than thou just because I'm the other side of being a train wreck.
Your friend does sound like very hard work and I'm not sure I could socialise with someone like that.
Sounds like she is projecting her own insecurities onto you.

ButteredRadish · 14/05/2025 11:01

She’s projecting. “I. Am. Not. You” ad infinitum.

CruCru · 14/05/2025 11:05

Aha. Realistically, as she gets closer to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, you won’t be able to stay friends with her. It is part of the religion to “spread the word”.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 14/05/2025 11:06

I stopped drinking many years ago, not much of a drinker any way but have a few health issues and wanted to do anything I could to protect my health.
Also found my way back to my religion very, very quietly. I don’t discuss it with anyone.
I can see the benefits of not drinking, they are obvious, but I would never dream of listing them off to a friend.
Her need to impose these new values on to
you means she still has issues. She’s shed one skin, found herself a new one, and in order to justify it herself she’s trying to make you wear it.

ConcernedOfClapham · 14/05/2025 11:07

You are not being unreasonable but, frankly, I’d be ‘busy’ a lot more often when she wanted to get together if it were me…

OneTaupeTraybake · 14/05/2025 11:07

What's the point of her having a problem with causal sex when she didn't have the decency to respect herself and refrain previously?!
That horse has bolted!
Like they really want her in their religious organisation!!

BigHeadBertha · 14/05/2025 11:09

It doesn't sound like you two have much in common anymore. And she apparently doesn't approve of you. It sounds like you've already given her plenty of cues that you don't appreciate her uninvited attempts to "fix" you. Most friends wouldn't need to be told that they're not in a superior, supervisory position over you in the first place. It might be time to turn your focus to more rewarding friendships.

1SillySossij · 14/05/2025 11:17

Ah, the zeal of the newly-converted! Grin

Spanglemum02 · 14/05/2025 11:23

CruCru · 14/05/2025 11:05

Aha. Realistically, as she gets closer to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, you won’t be able to stay friends with her. It is part of the religion to “spread the word”.

This. Jehovah's Witnesses are very much about spreading the word, hence the going door to door.

romdowa · 14/05/2025 11:24

She's just traded one addiction for another. It's a very common occurrence. Religion and exercise are the two I've seen the most. They need something in their life to focus on besides their old addiction.

Velmy · 14/05/2025 11:26

What did she say when you laughed at her and told her to shut the fuck up and mind her own business? 😅

sussexman · 14/05/2025 11:27

Spanglemum02 · 14/05/2025 11:23

This. Jehovah's Witnesses are very much about spreading the word, hence the going door to door.

That's very true, but the ones who have called here have been pretty good at being respectful of a "No Thank You." I've had internet and energy supplier cold callers who've been worse.

ttcat37 · 14/05/2025 11:27

Maybe you could express your concern to her about being brainwashed by ‘religion’ and say she’s starting to sound a bit culty

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