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Helleofabore · 11/05/2025 20:25

"It is not up to society or 'officials' really to judge which male is more authentic and deserving than others."

Following on from this.

When you consider the official current 'exceptions' to the authenticity of a claim to be a 'woman', it is a growing list.

First was the 'rapists' who society was allowed to misgender without punishment. Because they didn't not deserve the respect of pronouns and recognition of their chosen identity.

Then came the rejection of male people for the purpose of female sports categories. So... another aspect of life that these male people were excluded from.

Then came the rejection of male people such as Mridul Wadhwa in rape crisis counselling positions and male people being able to present themselves as female medical examiners under law.

Then came the court case where the claimants were allowed to keep referring to Dr Upton as male, a man and using accurate sex pronouns.

The list of times when society must comply with the demands to support a male person's philosophical belief about their identity that does not reflect material reality is getting shorter and shorter. But it only ever really needed one instance for the entire philosophical theory to fail completely. Because if a male is not to be treated as if their philosophical belief about their identity that does not reflect material reality even in one aspect of life, it shows that it was never fact in the first place.

It was all an emotionally manipulated support structure based on falsehoods from the start. The issue is, that so many people are heavily invested in being kind and their personal definition of respectful that they cannot change track without losing face. So they just double down.

WallaceinAnderland · 11/05/2025 21:47

'Acceptance without exception' is actually one of the more accurate mantras that extreme transgender activists and allies have coined. Because it is absolutely true.'

Stonewall were very clear on this.

Acceptance without exception includes men with fetishes, rapists, cross dressers and paedophiles.

Because that's what 'without exception' means.

This is what men like David Tennant endorse.

Helleofabore · 11/05/2025 22:13

WallaceinAnderland · 11/05/2025 21:47

'Acceptance without exception' is actually one of the more accurate mantras that extreme transgender activists and allies have coined. Because it is absolutely true.'

Stonewall were very clear on this.

Acceptance without exception includes men with fetishes, rapists, cross dressers and paedophiles.

Because that's what 'without exception' means.

This is what men like David Tennant endorse.

Absolutely.

The fallacy is that there is a group of people who are 'truly transgender' (there are many terms for this group, this is just one). But who are they, why are they 'truly transgender' compared to another person with a transgender identity.

I mean, we are expected to believe that a person can in someway 'live' as if they are the opposite sex by simply stating they are. This is impossible. It relies on the postmodernist theory of something being the thing that someone has labelled it, or as someone believes that thing is.

No one of the opposite sex can ever accurately conceptualise how the other sex interacts with the world. They can only ever replicate what they perceive is how the other sex interacts with the world. OR perhaps worse, how they WANT the other sex to interact with the world.

So, include one, you have to include them all in the category. There is no biological or neurological marker that is common, so it is only belief.

It is actually really transphobic to arbitrate who is and isn't transgender based on your (general you) own personal criteria set to your own comfort level. It is remarkable just how many posters try to though. They can never accept that what they are doing with this arbitrating is dreadfully wrong.

BundleBoogie · 11/05/2025 22:18

WallaceinAnderland · 11/05/2025 21:47

'Acceptance without exception' is actually one of the more accurate mantras that extreme transgender activists and allies have coined. Because it is absolutely true.'

Stonewall were very clear on this.

Acceptance without exception includes men with fetishes, rapists, cross dressers and paedophiles.

Because that's what 'without exception' means.

This is what men like David Tennant endorse.

Exactly. And let’s not forget the mysterious + that Stonewall, the self appointed champion and arbiter of ‘trans rights’ tacked onto the ‘LGBTQ’ acronym.

Despite repeated requests, they not only refused to clarify who they meant by the + but they refused to confirm that paedophiles, ‘furries’, nappy fetishists etc were not covered by the +.

They deliberately created a door for harmful fetishists and left it propped open.

tedlassoforprimeminister · 11/05/2025 22:21

All NHS trusts hate women.

Helleofabore · 11/05/2025 22:31

Here is another interview with Karen

https://x.com/Wommando/status/1921605840491995454

https://x.com/Wommando/status/1921605840491995454

Blueredyellowgreen · 12/05/2025 08:53

Women have been so badly treated by this 'be kind' let men with feels be raised to more importance than women, pushed aside, concerns ignored, called Terfs or transphobes, by TRA or captured women.

No more.

You cannot change sex. No one can.

Women need their spaces. Find people who aren't happy with their bodies their own spaces.

Appalling. Shameful behaviour of the man Rose, the NHS HR department, directors, shame them, investigate them, sue them, expose the poor treatment of women. No more of this shit.

Brave Karen, brave women standing up. We should all support them.

Blueredyellowgreen · 12/05/2025 08:55

A way for men to abuse and control women. Trans women are not women, they are men that are unhappy with their bodies, etc. Not a problem for women to sort out, move aside for.

I'm so angry at the pro trans ideology.

Blueredyellowgreen · 12/05/2025 09:00

Pinkrabbitt · 11/05/2025 15:20

It's like state-sponsored voyeurism.

This. Rose stood in his boxers with holes in them and smirked at her, aren't you getting changed. Disgusting. No male should be in a women's space, no matter what he calls himself.

Blueredyellowgreen · 12/05/2025 09:02

SidewaysOtter · 11/05/2025 17:53

The very fact that the likes of “Rose” expect their wants and desires to be put ahead of women’s feelings, fears or comfort demonstrates exactly a) why women need single sex spaces in the first place and b) that the likes of “Rose” should be kept out of them (along with all the other men).

Yes, why do people let Rose, a man, be above others, what gives him special power.

Why are women so badly treated.

Kucinghitam · 12/05/2025 09:12

crowsfeet57 · 11/05/2025 19:58

Does he have a particular belief about himself though? Or is he just a scumbag who sees the opportunity to perv on women and make them feel uncomfortable?

Would be great if everybody had a way to tell, wouldn't it?

I believe Layla Moran (LibDem MP) claims to have SoulVision™️in this regard, but she has ungenerously failed to share it with the rest of us.

Frozenbreadrolls · 12/05/2025 09:27

GCITC · 11/05/2025 16:46

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1kjvhio/absolutely_disgusting_transphobic_mail_piece_on/

Here you can find other peoples take on the article. I've quoted some responses.

"Eat shit, Karen, you vile vile bigot. Your backstory has fucking nothing to do with trans women or men, and it most certainly has nothing to do with the transgender nurse. YOU sound unfit to practice."

"Because it's not true. This is yet another case of TERF yelling dubious accusations of "RAPE!" against someone who isn't even the alleged rapist."

"There are quite vile comments like Rose had holes in her boxers so you could see her genitals through them. Firstly, they would need to be pretty large hole or Karen must have a telescope or binocular vision."

"That Karen has a really nasty vibe to her. Was my first impression when I saw a photo. Kind of malicious and almost attention seeking."

"I don't believe it. The story is fishy, and apparently the whole family just put up with this for years without raising a complaint or getting any evidence... until now when she's going through a completely different case? And now is super okay with going into detail on a national paper? It's not very natural how she talks about it either. She does not speak like someone who has trauma, she is speaking like someone who is telling a story... Shame on Karen Danson for making up lies about sexual abuse to punish their trans coworker. You are just like the rest of these false rape victims."

Its all they have got. They are so ideologically trapped in their position any evidence of the real life harm of their point of view has to be denied.

Their only other option is to openly state they don't care about women. And they usually aren't quite honest enough to state that quite so openly.

WaryCrow · 12/05/2025 09:31

Keirawr · 11/05/2025 15:33

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what you pay taxes for. An activist NHS that more bothered about placating men who pretend to be women, insisting on asking men if they are pregnant of questionnaires, focusing on pronouns. Just remember, thousands of businesses have or will go to the wall and people are being redundant left, right and centre because of the NI increase to pay for this shitshow.

Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

The NHS needs to be funded and allowed to return to basic healthcare for all. Most nurses I’ve spoken to know the trans stuff is a load of crap - it’s come down from on high just as it did in schools.

Frozenbreadrolls · 12/05/2025 09:31

Its where gender ideology gets us.

A man who repeatedly asks a women if she is getting changed yet (no women ever says that to another woman in a changing room) is clearly being predatory. He is clearly enjoying the intimidation and coercion and control and humiliation. Added to that he is wearing underwear with holes - also rather obviously a deliberate choice.

Yet the NHS is so ideological it is deliberately ignoring such obvious safeguarding red flags. Its as disturbing as it is disgusting.

Frozenbreadrolls · 12/05/2025 09:35

The bit about the smirk really stuck with me - all women know the smirk. The smirk that says “I’m getting off on this and there’s nothing you can do about it”

Absolutely 100% this.

Thelnebriati · 12/05/2025 09:35

We need to stop blaming 'the NHS' and recognise it is individual people making these decisions. They need calling out just the same as those who enabled Saville's activities. Whistle blowers standing up for safeguarding are supposed to be protected, not vilified.
Something has gone very badly wrong, and none of the official bodies seem to want to challenge it; why they think its OK to leave it up to individuals to have to fundraise and stick their neck out is an utter mystery to me.

WaryCrow · 12/05/2025 09:40

why they think its OK to leave it up to individuals to have to fundraise and stick their neck out is an utter mystery to me.

Britain has pretty much abandoned the idea of equality under the law and has been following ‘might is right’ in the economic sphere for a long time. Weirdly enough, economics being a need for survival, culture follows.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/05/2025 09:44

Nameychangington · 11/05/2025 17:01

They're male supremacists. That's all they are. They don't give a shit about anything else. And our public institutions are captured by their misogynist ideology.

This. People need to start waking up to this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/05/2025 09:45

Frozenbreadrolls · 12/05/2025 09:35

The bit about the smirk really stuck with me - all women know the smirk. The smirk that says “I’m getting off on this and there’s nothing you can do about it”

Absolutely 100% this.

Indeed.

Brefugee · 12/05/2025 09:47

steff13 · 11/05/2025 17:54

So the only thing this person has done to live as a woman is ask to be called by a traditionally female name and change his pronouns to she/her?

not sure if anyone has mentioned it. "Rose" is married and trying (or was trying at the time) to conceive a baby with his wife.

Well, that's "living as a woman" isn't it? Fathering a child. The most womanly thing you can do.

CoffeecakeSuncream · 12/05/2025 09:50

Blueredyellowgreen · 12/05/2025 08:55

A way for men to abuse and control women. Trans women are not women, they are men that are unhappy with their bodies, etc. Not a problem for women to sort out, move aside for.

I'm so angry at the pro trans ideology.

Exactly. They need mental health help, not access to women only spaces.

Brefugee · 12/05/2025 09:53

I'm not in UK. I took citizenship of the EU country where i have lived/worked for most of my life in the aftermath of Brexit.

We have SelfID here. You literally go to the town hall, say you want to change all your gender markers, hand over a small sum and that's it.

When i got citizenship i had to jump through billions of hoops and pay a substantial sum.

That is how batshit this whole Gender ID thing is. There are no checks/balances. I had to swear an oath not to cause damage to my new country. But a man can declare woman feels and make zero changes to their life.

Frozenbreadrolls · 12/05/2025 10:25

Brefugee · 12/05/2025 09:53

I'm not in UK. I took citizenship of the EU country where i have lived/worked for most of my life in the aftermath of Brexit.

We have SelfID here. You literally go to the town hall, say you want to change all your gender markers, hand over a small sum and that's it.

When i got citizenship i had to jump through billions of hoops and pay a substantial sum.

That is how batshit this whole Gender ID thing is. There are no checks/balances. I had to swear an oath not to cause damage to my new country. But a man can declare woman feels and make zero changes to their life.

What country is this?

Brefugee · 12/05/2025 11:45

it's Germany. You can change your gender markers every 2 years afaik.

WhereIsMyJumper · 12/05/2025 13:05

Frozenbreadrolls · 12/05/2025 09:31

Its where gender ideology gets us.

A man who repeatedly asks a women if she is getting changed yet (no women ever says that to another woman in a changing room) is clearly being predatory. He is clearly enjoying the intimidation and coercion and control and humiliation. Added to that he is wearing underwear with holes - also rather obviously a deliberate choice.

Yet the NHS is so ideological it is deliberately ignoring such obvious safeguarding red flags. Its as disturbing as it is disgusting.

This!
If a man, identifying as a man behaved this way you’d like to think that something would be done about.
But just because he calls himself Rose, they think the answer is to have him explain to the other female nurses what a woman is and how is means that he can basically do what he likes?

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