To think that this NHS Trust hates women *[content warning: linked article concerns CSA]

[Ramblingnamechanger]

Borrowed from FWR as think this is something we should all know about
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14698557/I-begged-bosses-not-let-trans-nurse-invaded-changing-room-intimate-operation-refused-didnt-want-hurt-feelings.html

I don't think it's hatred. To hate something you actually have to care about it. It's apathy. They don't care about women. Do they see us as less than human?

Less than human.

Worthy only insofar as men can benefit from us.

Yes, I think so.

Because without actual women to 'validate their existence', they are just another bloke.

ETA: obviously, they are 'just another bloke' anyway. I meant in their heads 👍

From the reaction of the trust, I don’t think a patient would fare any better.

Many hospital trusts across the country have policies that would force women to consent to these mainly heterosexual men with an unhealthy fixation on women’s bodies having access to them when unconscious and extremely vulnerable.

The choice that the policy gives is ‘consent or have your treatment withdrawn’. A abrupt withdrawal of treatment, even for serious conditions, has happened to several women already.

In this case it is alleged that the father of Rose has been suspended by the Nursing & Midwifery Council for charges of sexual abuse. How many more women (over and once the thousands that have already been raped or sexually abused by male hospital staff) will suffer for this?

That scenario, and I don’t know it’s provenance is just words isn’t it. Very clear on exactly what to say to the trans woman ‘you won’t be moved’. Then just waffly ‘provide reassurance, address any unfounded concerns’ - ok what? What are you asking nurses to say?

It’s worse than hatred. Women, their needs and feelings don’t matter when it comes to a choice between the feelings of a man over a woman. What’s happened here is appalling, to treat anyone in this way is unacceptable, the changing room aside, telling Karen they wouldn’t perform her surgery if she didn’t have rose participate is what real bully’s do.

One of the prime issues with trans ideology is behaviour that would ordinarily be a huge red flag that a man is a predator is now waived away, not a problem. Worse, anyone who points out the nefarious behaviour is punished as a bigot or a prude and accused of being the weirdo who is 'obsessed with other people's genitals.' All the logic and reasoning that was put into improving institutional safeguarding gets wiped out by one creepy, woman-hating cult.

It's state-mandated, systemic gaslighting of women. Pure and simple.

Yep state mandated dystopian abuse.

The choice that the policy gives is ‘consent or have your treatment withdrawn’.

This can not be consent. Its consent under duress. This invalidates consent. It is coercive control, getting you to do something under the threat of consequences should you fall to comply.

The theatre manager also said, “How would Rose feel if she was asked not to come to theatre?”.’

This is a professional person asking what an other employee (Rose) would "feel" if he was asked to carry out other task for the short period of time.

The NHS spends loads on training about consent. If the theatre manager is made aware that Rose has no consent how Rose feels is 1000% irrelevant.

On one level above stupid why would the theatre manager being made aware there was a HR issue not opt to act to protect the male employee from any issue which could arise?

Why opt to risk his professional reputation (and their own) or even having to deal with the paperwork if the nurse made a complaint.

Yes absolutely. I wanted to put consent in apostrophes but then couldn’t work out how to not double them up for the quote. It should have been ‘consent’ as you are quite right - that is exactly the opposite of this coercive abuse.

The managers and policy writers facilitating this sexual abuse of women have no place in a hospital where women are vulnerable. They are clearly in the wrong jobs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1kjvhio/absolutely_disgusting_transphobic_mail_piece_on/

Here you can find other peoples take on the article. I've quoted some responses.

"Eat shit, Karen, you vile vile bigot. Your backstory has fucking nothing to do with trans women or men, and it most certainly has nothing to do with the transgender nurse. YOU sound unfit to practice."

"Because it's not true. This is yet another case of TERF yelling dubious accusations of "RAPE!" against someone who isn't even the alleged rapist."

"There are quite vile comments like Rose had holes in her boxers so you could see her genitals through them. Firstly, they would need to be pretty large hole or Karen must have a telescope or binocular vision."

"That Karen has a really nasty vibe to her. Was my first impression when I saw a photo. Kind of malicious and almost attention seeking."

"I don't believe it. The story is fishy, and apparently the whole family just put up with this for years without raising a complaint or getting any evidence... until now when she's going through a completely different case? And now is super okay with going into detail on a national paper? It's not very natural how she talks about it either. She does not speak like someone who has trauma, she is speaking like someone who is telling a story... Shame on Karen Danson for making up lies about sexual abuse to punish their trans coworker. You are just like the rest of these false rape victims."

The thing that is galling to me, I think more even than them refusing to remove the nurse, is the nurse's behavior. And let me clarify that: this person, regardless of sex, is a healthcare provider. As such, one would think that their personal feelings would come second to the comfort of their patient

I'm an administrative law judge. I conduct public assistance appeal hearings, and those hearings are assigned to me at random every week by a scheduling system. As you might imagine, there are people who request multiple hearings and so I sometimes have hearings with people that I have seen before. If I logged into the hearing (in Teams), and the Appellant said they didn't want me as their hearing officer due to past experience, I would reschedule to hearing.

I perform my job to a very high standard. I do not let prior interaction with someone color the way that I rule in my hearings or the way that I treat them during the hearing. So I could choose to be offended, but I wouldn't. Or even if I were, I would understand that the most important thing is that the appellant needs to feel as though they were being treated fairly. Regardless of my personal feelings. So it's hard for me to understand why this person doesn't treat their patients in the same way.

That is horrific.

Can you imagine surviving childhood sexual trauma and building a successful adult life with a family and work, only to be retraumatised by a man who had no right to be there, supported by your employer to continually retraumatise you?
Feeling forced to disclose to your colleagues, then your children, then the world?

It’s unthinkable cruelty. Her resilience is extraordinary.

Yes, and sadly exactly what I expected. No empathy for the women they claim to feel like at all.

They're male supremacists. That's all they are. They don't give a shit about anything else. And our public institutions are captured by their misogynist ideology.

@steff13 you also have the right/option to recuse yourself if there does happen to be a conflict of interest. This would be a similar situation and Rose should have withdrawn without even being asked to.

Nasty, nasty, nasty.

And all this, remember, is hiding behind the 'be kind' charade.

Except if she'd been an external patient requesting a female only team, clearly this NHS Trust would have still permitted the known sexually perverted male to be in the team during her operation. She just wouldn't have known.

The Trust would have lied, told her it was a female only team, and allowed her to be used for sexual kicks by a male with a fetish while she was unconscious.

It's horrific.

One day (I hope) we are going to look back and wonder what the f*ck came over us.

I'm really into dystopian novels at the moment and the parallels with life today are really frightening.

The bit about the smirk really stuck with me - all women know the smirk. The smirk that says “I’m getting off on this and there’s nothing you can do about it”

Her story is horrifying but I’m so grateful to Karen and the others for speaking up. This is the reality of “trans rights” - a recent photo of “rose”

Whatever it is, it seems unlikely to be diluted by any hint of truth!

That scenario is from West London NHS trust but is also used by other trusts.

Some of the posters on FWR have been carrying out an audit of NHS Trust policies and thay all have similar policies

The NHS should have removed the trans man from the changing room, and suggested he use the cupboard to change, what an utter disgrace! They should have also arranged some psychological help for his mental health condition, while suspending him for his disgraceful behaviour towards that poor woman.
I'm so sick of this pronoun bullshit as well. There was a man in my friend's meeting recently who said he doesn't identify as male, or female, and his pronoun is "they." He made a point of announcing it, even when he wasn't an integral part of the meeting, and there would be no reason to even discuss him. Come on UK, stop this rubbish!