To not be happy about paying this much tax

[Lovingthehamsterwheel]

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I just saw this new tax calculator that shows you how much tax you are paying in total, including all hidden taxes, council tax etc

For a Person on 75k a year, 44 percent of earnings go on tax.

10k of that is spent on welfare.

Am i being unreasonable to think this is absolutely a terrible time to be alive in terms of taxes in the UK. And it is no wonder higher earners are leaving the country.

tax.corgi.global/

"I'm a bit baffled as to why a daycare centre receives so much tax payer funding that they can afford trips to Disney land?! I'm shocked tbh.
Why do folks on benefits deserve a trip to Disneyland when those who paid the taxes can't afford it?
I could understand if the family paid for it, but not taxpayers, whilst the NHS sinks..."

What a disgusting post.

Firstly, you're conflating me with the several other posters who've challenged you.

Secondly, I didn't request a debate. I asked the OP for evidence and you jumped in with an anecdote. If I did want a debate it wouldn't be with you, as your approach to everybody has been to claim that there is data but refuse to supply it, tell people to Google, and repeatedly threaten to flounce. That isn't constructive and doesn't strike me as good faith debate.

It's really okay to say "I think this based on my experience but there's no data backing it up at the moment."

I dunno on this one. On the face of it I'm.quite happy for my tax to be used to send someone like PP's brother on a holiday. I'm sure it means a lot to him & others in his position and is probably the only chance they'd get BUT there are plenty of other even more pressing needs for that money right now. THAT's the bit that I have a problem with really. I think probably sending people (even those who really would benefit) away on holiday should come once the IMMEDIATE needs of all have been met. Problem is that sort of means never really. So I'm not sure what I think here. I guess I'd rather my taxes were spent here than plenty of other places they're currently spent.
I'm absolutely not advocating for tax cuts though! I think we sadly all need to be paying more.

It’s grim to talk about disabled people not being deserving enough for a holiday.

Wealth has precious little to do with what the individual deserves. Opportunity, accident of birth, societal value placed on certain occupations etc have far more impact on someone’s financial situation than how hard they work or how good a person they are.

"It’s grim to talk about disabled people not being deserving enough for a holiday."

Exactly, it's grim. I felt 'yuck' reading that post. Of all the things to pick on someone chooses to target something involving the most vulnerable adults.

I agree that wealth has little to do with being particularly deserving, certainly not in a moral sense. Sometimes it is certainly related to an individual working particularly hard, or being particularly skilled, but definitely not always.

But what does 'deserving' even mean? No one deserves a holiday. It is a luxury, not a basic essential, such as a home or nutritious food. A disabled person can't be said to 'deserve' a holiday more than a tax payer who cannot afford one themselves. I don't think the other poster said anything unreasonable. People deserve dignity, care, housing, etc but tax payer funded luxuries is a different matter.

Exactly what I was going to say. No one deserves a luxury. Especially if paid by the tax payer.

My belief is that if you're too unwell to work at all. The money you get from the taxpayer should be enough to pay rent, heating, utilities and healthy food.

There's a limit on how "luxuries" the taxpayer can fund. If someone gets money from a family member to pay for X,Y,Z then good on them. But the base taxpayer subsided stuff should be limited to provide the essentials you need to live.

My belief is that someone with Downs Syndrome and ADHD should have some life enhancing experiences that give them pleasure and I’m happy for my taxes to pay for them.

The Op's disabled brothers daycare centre has had received funding to take some disabled adults away.

There is no detail as to where the funding has emanated from.

There are of course some centres run by local councils but there are others that are run by charities and some centres that will have applied for funding from other sources (like the National Lottery, Comic Relief etc).

Jumping to the assumption that its taxpayers money isnt particularly helpful.

The UK is a relative low tax country compared to many others. And that calculator is disingenuous.
You are being very unreasonable

I believe if someone is too ill to work through no fault of their own (so not obesity, alcohol, drugs or smoking etc) then society should provide them with enough to cover the basics, plus a few extras such as the occasional holiday or a few bottles of wine a month.

The idea that we cannot afford this is bullshit. We could more than afford it if businesses and people were willing to pay their fair share. You only have to look at all the threads about reducing income to avoid tax to note how selfish some people can be when it comes to money.

The most recent benefits bashing/tax thread, the OP is bringing home £4500 a month and whinging that she has to pay towards benefits. 2-3 months of her take-home pay is the annual income for some people on benefits. Yet she thinks she doesn't have enough and wants others to have less than a fraction of her income.

This is bullshit. Disability benefits in the UK are very generous and many people taking UC/carers/2 lots of DLA into their home are way better off than somebody working in a low paid job with no top ups. We pay TERRIFYING amounts for disability benefits which is why even LABOUR are cutting them

The most recent benefits bashing/tax thread, the OP is bringing home £4500 a month and whinging that she has to pay towards benefits. 2-3 months of her take-home pay is the annual income for some people on benefits. Yet she thinks she doesn't have enough and wants others to have less than a fraction of her income.

While I have no issue with paying towards benefits, there have also been posters on here who say they get more than that £4500 per month from benefits. I’m assuming that’s because of a combination of high rent (and I do object to taxes being used to pay landlords’ mortgages / profit - we need more social housing), childcare and disability - but I can understand why people are not particularly happy when they are paying taxes and hear about people not working and getting more than they take home working full time

Absolutely. It is NOT selfish to be happy to support others, but not to the extent they get more money than you.

"We pay TERRIFYING amounts for disability benefits which is why even LABOUR are cutting them"

To someone so disabled that they attend a day centre?

By the way, in many cases people who attend a day centre have to give some of their benefits to adult social care in order to attend one.

Any one of us could suddenly have something happen to us that means we need benefits, or have that happen to one of our loved ones.

Plenty of 'life enhancing' experiences are free or available as part of day to day care eg visiting the park, beach, enjoying music or other arts, spending time with friends, etc. There is no need for anyone to go to Disney Land. Many humans were very content for many hundreds of years without going to Disney Land.

Tax on the highest rate payers are very high and they also loose their PA too. Add in student loans which need to be paid back and the crazy costs of housing and you can see why some younger people complain at paying 60%+ marginal rate. If you are older and were able to buy a home decades ago at an affordable price and had no student loan, your situation was very different. As I said earlier, it isn't always the high rate of tax either but the way in which public services have declined and the cost of essentials relative to incomes.

As I said, you’ve got no idea where the funding came from for the disabled adults trip. There are a number of charities that aim to support disabled people taking short breaks.

The benefits cap is a little over £2000 a month for a couple with one child, including housing payments. If you had more than one child, you would get more, but not £2500 more.

No one is getting £4.5k a month in welfare unless they are profoundly disabled or are caring for someone who is profoundly disabled.

Disability benefits aren’t just given for ‘profound’ disability. ADHD for example

Someone with ADHD is not getting £2500 a month in PIP. The most you can get is £187 a week, which includes the enhanced rate for daily living and mobility, which someone with ADHD would not be entitled to.

To get anywhere near the amount OP is bringing home, you would need to have or be caring for someone with profound disabilities and needing assistance from carers.

I think I’m going to keep calling it road tax actually. Much more entertaining.

They really aren’t. Compared to similar countries (Canada, Nordic countries) there are more disabled people in poverty in the UK. Benefits are proportionately lower and social welfare - accessible and affordable facilities - is generally worse here than in comparable countries.

just being pedantic but a lot of people borrow an additional amount to cover the stamp duty so actually they are paying a little bit of hidden tax every month !