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To not be happy about paying this much tax

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Lovingthehamsterwheel · 06/05/2025 11:42

Name changed to enable objectivity.
I just saw this new tax calculator that shows you how much tax you are paying in total, including all hidden taxes, council tax etc

For a Person on 75k a year, 44 percent of earnings go on tax.

10k of that is spent on welfare.

Am i being unreasonable to think this is absolutely a terrible time to be alive in terms of taxes in the UK. And it is no wonder higher earners are leaving the country.

tax.corgi.global/

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Middleagedstriker · 07/05/2025 16:31

PhilomenaPunk · 06/05/2025 11:51

What about council tax? Road tax? Tax on goods and services? Inheritance tax? Tax on pensions? Tax on savings and investments? We actually do spend a vast amount of our money on various hidden and not so hidden taxes. Whether it is right or wrong is one thing, but the facts are there.

Road Tax doesn't exist.

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/05/2025 16:33

Whatafustercluck · 07/05/2025 14:56

Other than employers' NI contributions, and VAT on private schools, which other taxes have Labour raised? While I understand the controversy in relation to these policies specifically, to state that 'Labour have put up taxes' is a sweeping (and I think inaccurate) statement that completely ignores the previous 14 years of increased taxes. There seems to have been an avalanche of posts about high tax over the past 9 months, which is quite strange when you consider that it's been increasing for much longer than that, under a blue government.

As for Brexit, well, it turns out that taking control of our borders was evidently easier when we were part of the club than when we got out of it. Who'd have thought it, eh? Pulling up the drawbridge didn't work after all. As you say, the exact opposite result. So what was the point of it all? 14 previous years of immigration mismanagement, yet it's the past 9 months that have really tipped the scales apparently.

UK Autumn Budget 2024. A summary of Labour's most relevant tax changes - Bolt Burdon LLP

'Pulling up the drawbridge didn't work after all.' This must be a joke? The drawbridge was never 'pulled up' and Brexit has not been delivered in full.

'14 previous years of immigration mismanagement, yet it's the past 9 months that have really tipped the scales apparently.' I don't disagree, the Tories are lying bastards who have without a doubt contributed to the shit show of today. But yes, the last 9 months has been an example of out of the frying pan into the fire. Hence the recent local elections results.

UK Autumn Budget 2024. A summary of Labour's most relevant tax changes - Bolt Burdon LLP

On 30 October, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Rachel Reeves, announced the 2024 UK Autumn Budget. This is the first […]

https://www.boltburdon.co.uk/blogs/uk-autumn-budget-2024-a-summary-of-labours-most-relevant-tax-changes/#:~:text=On%2030%20October%2C%20the%20Chancellor%20of%20the%20Exchequer%2C,rise%2C%20affecting%20almost%20all%20the%20UK%20tax%20system.

Middleagedstriker · 07/05/2025 16:34

Viviennemary · 07/05/2025 13:29

Yes it's cheeky. Especially when some folk on benefits are nearly getting the equivalent and pay no tax.

According to this tax calculator of course they pay tax unless all they do is eat food and pay bills but never buy clothes or toiletries or alcohol or sugar.

Notonthestairs · 07/05/2025 16:34

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/05/2025 16:22

Brexit can't deliver anything when Brexit hasn't been fully delivered in itself.

Which bit of Brexit hasn’t been enacted?

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/05/2025 16:35

TipsyRaven247 · 07/05/2025 14:11

Exactly, before Brexit we had better control of the borders because we worked in collaboration with our European counterparts. Now we are on our own and the country is being flooded by them.
That is what happens when millions of ignorants believe the rubbish spewed by populist charlatans like Farage.

Tell me you know nothing about it without telling me you know nothing about it. You sound like a BBC parrot.

MerlinsBeard1 · 07/05/2025 16:39

shuggles · 07/05/2025 15:24

@MerlinsBeard1 Most people could buy houses if the market had been managed correctly. If house prices increased based on inflation alone since 1970, the average house today would only cost about £70-80k.

Artificial constraints placed on housing supply by politicians and landlords are the reason why housing is so expensive.

We can't deny supply and demand. This is why there is a housing crisis and this is why Starmer et al are destroying our countryside.

Renting was always considered the cheaper option, that isn't the case anymore. Many people pay more monthly rent than mortgage repayments. This is set to go up thanks to Labour policies. It is a total shit show.

SpaceOfAides · 07/05/2025 16:50

deusexmacintosh · 07/05/2025 16:30

Oh here we go, benefit scrounger rhetoric again.

if you bothered to engage your tiny brain and did some research, you'd discover the vast majority of benefit claimants who claim full state benefits and have never worked/will never work have a learning disability (IQ below 70).

There are over 1.5 million people in the UK with an LD. Including one of my siblings, who is in his 30s and has autism and downs syndrome.

He is dependent on state welfare in the form of ESA and PIP payments - which, at the princely sum of £14k a year, hardly covers the cost of living. On top of food, bills, and other expenses that come with being severely disabled, he has been charged nearly £2k a year by his local council, as payment towards his 30 hour a week care/support package, since 2012.

Why? because of entitled Tory scum like you, who begrudge everyone everything, and refuse to vote for politicans who will raise taxes to pay for proper, high quality care and support.

Thankfully my parents relieved a letter last week from their new Labour councilor, notifying them that from next month he will no longer pay a penny towards his care costs.

He's also had a support budget increase, receieved a free £250 sainsbury's food voucher from the council, and his day centre have had their funding increased - so they're taking him and his freinds on a fully taxpayer funded 5 day trip to France, his first ever foreign holiday, in August!

The look of joy on his face when he discovered he'd be going to Disneyland was a sight to behold... I could kiss kier starmer's feet right now!

but I suppose mean, avaricious people like you want to defund day centres, residential homes, specialist colleges and care homes, slash state welfare to 0, and abandon 1.5 million vulnerable people to abject poverty and misery, just so you can afford a few more £5 lattes and £8 loaves of bread from your local Gail's bakery?

Cop yourself on, you selfish twat!

Being abusive because some people want to keep more of their own money they've worked for, is highly inappropriate.

SpaceOfAides · 07/05/2025 16:50

Middleagedstriker · 07/05/2025 16:31

Road Tax doesn't exist.

Not by that name, no. You clever clogs.

PhilomenaPunk · 07/05/2025 17:08

Middleagedstriker · 07/05/2025 16:31

Road Tax doesn't exist.

You clearly know what I meant. The pedantry on Mumsnet is ridiculous sometimes.

PhilomenaPunk · 07/05/2025 17:09

SpaceOfAides · 07/05/2025 16:50

Not by that name, no. You clever clogs.

Thank you. This pointless nitpicking derails so many threads.

Grammarnut · 07/05/2025 17:59

Ph3 · 06/05/2025 16:21

That was an error - and couldn’t edit it 🥴 as I only noticed it too late! But English is not my first language!

Edited

I would never have guessed.

Middleagedstriker · 07/05/2025 18:05

PhilomenaPunk · 07/05/2025 17:08

You clearly know what I meant. The pedantry on Mumsnet is ridiculous sometimes.

The term road tax is so irritating because it's used by car drivers against cyclist but doesn't exist.

PhilomenaPunk · 07/05/2025 18:15

Middleagedstriker · 07/05/2025 18:05

The term road tax is so irritating because it's used by car drivers against cyclist but doesn't exist.

Then say that. Even though it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/05/2025 18:43

deusexmacintosh · 07/05/2025 16:30

Oh here we go, benefit scrounger rhetoric again.

if you bothered to engage your tiny brain and did some research, you'd discover the vast majority of benefit claimants who claim full state benefits and have never worked/will never work have a learning disability (IQ below 70).

There are over 1.5 million people in the UK with an LD. Including one of my siblings, who is in his 30s and has autism and downs syndrome.

He is dependent on state welfare in the form of ESA and PIP payments - which, at the princely sum of £14k a year, hardly covers the cost of living. On top of food, bills, and other expenses that come with being severely disabled, he has been charged nearly £2k a year by his local council, as payment towards his 30 hour a week care/support package, since 2012.

Why? because of entitled Tory scum like you, who begrudge everyone everything, and refuse to vote for politicans who will raise taxes to pay for proper, high quality care and support.

Thankfully my parents relieved a letter last week from their new Labour councilor, notifying them that from next month he will no longer pay a penny towards his care costs.

He's also had a support budget increase, receieved a free £250 sainsbury's food voucher from the council, and his day centre have had their funding increased - so they're taking him and his freinds on a fully taxpayer funded 5 day trip to France, his first ever foreign holiday, in August!

The look of joy on his face when he discovered he'd be going to Disneyland was a sight to behold... I could kiss kier starmer's feet right now!

but I suppose mean, avaricious people like you want to defund day centres, residential homes, specialist colleges and care homes, slash state welfare to 0, and abandon 1.5 million vulnerable people to abject poverty and misery, just so you can afford a few more £5 lattes and £8 loaves of bread from your local Gail's bakery?

Cop yourself on, you selfish twat!

It is interesting to me that you resort to insults yet consider yourself the virtuous one. Easy to virtuously spend other people's money though, right?

Discussions about tax and spend policies are perfectly reasonable. There are 10 million + economically inactive people in the country. The number of NEETs is soaring. Millions turning up in the country and having full access to benefits after 5 years. Its not sustainable and is crushing the economy.

Middleagedstriker · 07/05/2025 19:18

PhilomenaPunk · 07/05/2025 18:15

Then say that. Even though it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

Or just accept you got it wrong.

cherryade8 · 07/05/2025 21:34

I'm a bit baffled as to why a daycare centre receives so much tax payer funding that they can afford trips to Disney land?! I'm shocked tbh.

Why do folks on benefits deserve a trip to Disneyland when those who paid the taxes can't afford it?

I could understand if the family paid for it, but not taxpayers, whilst the NHS sinks...

DdraigGoch · 07/05/2025 21:49

PhilomenaPunk · 06/05/2025 11:51

What about council tax? Road tax? Tax on goods and services? Inheritance tax? Tax on pensions? Tax on savings and investments? We actually do spend a vast amount of our money on various hidden and not so hidden taxes. Whether it is right or wrong is one thing, but the facts are there.

They estimate my council tax bill to be 37% higher than it actually is. I ride a bike so I don't pay VED or Fuel Duty, I've never paid IHT or Stamp Duty in my life, tax on savings and investments should be counted for when you tell it your income, I don't have a TV and haven't flown in years.

Yet this calculator hasn’t allowed me to opt out of any of those, just alcohol/tobacco/gambling duties. Given that I only put one adult down, surely it should have discounted my council tax as a singleton. It's completely misleading.

MumofCandRA · 08/05/2025 03:45

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/05/2025 18:43

It is interesting to me that you resort to insults yet consider yourself the virtuous one. Easy to virtuously spend other people's money though, right?

Discussions about tax and spend policies are perfectly reasonable. There are 10 million + economically inactive people in the country. The number of NEETs is soaring. Millions turning up in the country and having full access to benefits after 5 years. Its not sustainable and is crushing the economy.

I cannot believe how mean spirited you are - you validate Ablondiebutagooduies point about selfish people in society. Role out the rhetoric, feel hard done by, have no sympathy for individuals' plights - I hope it makes you feel better. Such a poisonous narrative, toxic nationalism. And before you ask, I'm a 40% taxpayer and don't begrudge the most vulnerable in Society, I'm grateful that I am fortunate enough to be a high earner ( and yes I work hard for that privilege, but so do people on low wages etc. it's not a race to the bottom).

MumofCandRA · 08/05/2025 03:54

cherryade8 · 07/05/2025 21:34

I'm a bit baffled as to why a daycare centre receives so much tax payer funding that they can afford trips to Disney land?! I'm shocked tbh.

Why do folks on benefits deserve a trip to Disneyland when those who paid the taxes can't afford it?

I could understand if the family paid for it, but not taxpayers, whilst the NHS sinks...

Wow another race to the bottom viewpoint, it's distressing to observe how many mean spirited people are out there. What a nasty post. Focus on what makes you whole, not begrudging someone who has been dealt a bad hand in life , some joy in their lives. I for one am pleased 'my hard earned taxpayers money' ( what a British , entitled expression) is bringing someone the joy they deserve.

AllTheChaos · 08/05/2025 05:26

Lovingthehamsterwheel · 06/05/2025 12:03

All of them, being too high and not optional.
Like if I have private medical insurance I should be allowed to reduce my tax accordingly.
I should also be able to offset my mortgage against tax going to welfare state to house others.
I should be able to offset my childcare bills as I am providing the next generation of tax payer
Gambling and alcohol, you can choose yourself if you want to partake, so theyre fine.

Edited

Have you read about what happened with the place in the US that tried the super low tax route? They ended up with bear problems due to bin issues. Taxes are communal and pay for things we all need. Eg you pay for private medical insurance so want a tax reduction: but you still rely on the NHS to ensure an overall healthy population that can function, it’s not just about your individual health. Without the NHS you are going to be more likely to catch something from someone unvaccinated, to suffer poor services due to staff illness, the carer in your child’s nursery is more likely to be spreading disease etc. What you are proposing is selfish, short sighted, and frankly not appropriate in a supposedly civilised society.

AllTheChaos · 08/05/2025 05:29

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 06/05/2025 12:00

Well since you are using a website created by this lot I expect that it's all completely true.
NOTE - SARCASM.

CORGI - We are the unofficial, underground cousin of America's Department Of Government Efficiency.

Really? Oh my!! I have never seen anything more inefficient and wasteful than the arrant stupidity being enacted across the pond by DOGE and the Magats, why on earth would something think introducing that kind of stupidity here was a good idea?!

AllTheChaos · 08/05/2025 05:32

Lovingthehamsterwheel · 06/05/2025 12:13

No, as I have income protection, I have saved, have a mortgage and pay considerably for a variety of life, critical illness and health insurances.

What about people who don’t? People working in lower paid but needful jobs? Should we just accept that if a nurse or a teacher or a bin man gets sick, they should be left to die in the gutter?

Summerhillsquare · 08/05/2025 06:21

FloraBotticelli · 06/05/2025 11:50

Sensationalist calculator pushing an agenda. A big chunk of what it’s including is employer-paid NI contributions, plus a load of extras like stamp duty that only apply in limited circumstances.

Yup, not referenced or accurate eg Scottish policy. I wonder who might be behind this, and why op is gleefully promoting it!

MeandT · 08/05/2025 06:28

Nice latch onto the tax cutting narrative of the hard right OP.

Don't forget that 55% of 'welfare' is pensions. And which part of the rest to you begrudge? Income support for the single father of a 4 year old who lost his job because of Bradford factor while his wife was dying of cancer? Disability benefit for a blind person holding down a job and living independently but unable to drive themselves to work or live without feeding their dog? A mother whose abusive husband disappeared & can't hold down a job at the nearest Amazon warehouse because Inset days & child sick days?

Are you a Daily Express journalist? Happy to have a moan about potholes & waiting lists & delinquent teenagers, without joining the dots that slashed funding since 2010 is the reason for bankrupt councils, under staffed NHS services, and closed early years & youth centres.

Then go and have a wander around Knightsbridge or Canary Wharf & tell me this country is short of money...it's just still swilling around a level of wealth far above what you have at a WAY lower effective tax rate.

Look up, not down, if you want to direct your rage somewhere. The entire point of Brexit was to extract the UK from some actually effective EU plans to track wealth offshoring & ensuring this was taxed effectively. They're still getting away with it & managing to keep "middle" earners like yourself fighting like rats in a sack with those with a poor lot in life.

Have a think about where your outrage should really be directed...

Ablondiebutagoody · 08/05/2025 07:20

MumofCandRA · 08/05/2025 03:45

I cannot believe how mean spirited you are - you validate Ablondiebutagooduies point about selfish people in society. Role out the rhetoric, feel hard done by, have no sympathy for individuals' plights - I hope it makes you feel better. Such a poisonous narrative, toxic nationalism. And before you ask, I'm a 40% taxpayer and don't begrudge the most vulnerable in Society, I'm grateful that I am fortunate enough to be a high earner ( and yes I work hard for that privilege, but so do people on low wages etc. it's not a race to the bottom).

Presumably your high-earning job has nothing to do with economics.