AIBU to say that I have had enough of this government and Its grabby supporters.

[Ihavehadenough1345]

I have name changed for this and am prepared for the pile on, backlash, kicking I am going to get but I have had enough!

My tax bill was £80,000 this year. I am self employed. I pay £16,000 a year in VAT. I have a valuable asset. I own my own home.
no mortgage. I have worked bloody hard. No inheritance, no Oxbridge, no privilege and no luck!

I pay for private school for 2 DC.

I am asset rich, cash poor. I have enough money to pay all of my bills, no debt, I’m not extravagant. If you met me you wouldn’t know my financial situation. I am normal.

But my tax contribution is not enough for this government and its supporters.

I read all of the posts of all of the threads regarding VAT on school fees, UC, the cost
of living crisis and on and on and on!

I have had enough.

And I do not need therapy and I do not have ADHD or bipolar.

Let the games begin!

If you cut their money, they will still be disabled. Just cold and starving on top of that.

It might be the only school in the area. Where I live (outwith the big cities but not rural) there is one high school that is pretty dire and offers a fairly limited range of subjects, but there is a local private school.

Their careers are importantly to them. That’s how they made their money. Your average minimum wage worker is far more likely to live in the community they grew up in than your average multi millionaire. Their kids are often in boarding school due to the long hours and frequent travel of their parents.

I don't think the implications is that people on lower wages don't work hard.

The OP was only commenting about herself. She's allowed to make that as a stand alone statement.

The article went on to say that the biggest increase in benefits claims were not due to health and disability but due to ‘sick minds’ -

“Drill down into individual conditions and there are some pretty stark rises. In the last year alone, PIP spending on Anxiety disorders: up 28 per cent. Childhood psychiatric disorders: up 27 per cent. Autism: up 27 per cent. Conduct disorder: up 27 per cent. Stress: up 26 per cent. Eating disorders: up 24 per cent. Mixed anxiety and depression: up 24 per cent. Drug and alcohol addiction: up 14 per cent. That’s all after taking inflation into account”.

To have these conversations is not to attack or to bash, I see threads on MN about benefits bashing. A healthy society has to have these conversations.

As PPs have said it’s not about pitting one side against the other.

I pay my tax. I did not start this thread as many have said to plead to pay less tax, or to claim Poverty or to deny disabled people benefits or to claim I work harder than low paid workers….. it all gets a bit lost and as a result petty. And the responses are quite predictable!

The platform MN provides the space for the debate.

You think those people (including children) listed count as ‘healthy people doing absolutely nothing’?

So straight away, you have made the division between health and disability and "sick minds".
So.... illness and physical disability against mental health... which is what is implied by "sick minds".

Rather than cut money to the people with "sick minds".. how about look into why they are sick to start with and invest in getting them better.

I quoted an article. I did not make a ‘division’ .

Quote “The £117 billion train roaring towards the British state is sounding its horn and flashing its lights. Serious reform to reduce these costs – and reduce them substantially – will come when the bill becomes truly unaffordable. But to go on ignoring it is to pretend this is merely an economic emergency, when it is also a human one.” End quote!

Of course I am educating myself on this issue by reading informed and fact checked media.

We all have to look into the why and we as a society has to look to heal the ‘sick minds’ that can be healed to allow them to go back to work, for, over and above the economy, their own lives.

Average entrepreneur is doing more hours than somebody on the dole. Let's be real.

Where did I suggest this is how taxes work?

I'm just saying that whilst the concept of everybody mucking in and contributing to the wider social good makes sense, a lot of people have a really sneering and entitled attitude towards those that are more financially successful than themselves. I probably wouldn't really feel particularly eager to part with huge amounts of my earnings on their behalf.

"You're richer than me....hand it over".

"OK, take my money. I'm truly sorry I've achieved such success in my field".

This is kinda how it feels some people think it should go. 😂

I’m not really sure of the point you’re trying to make? Disability is caused by a combination of the environment and the health condition. But surely to allow people to he healthy and work you need to pay more tax to invest in public services like schools and the nhs. If you can shield your children by paying for private that’s great for you but do t forget your privilege. Mental illness is associated with poverty, because being poor stinks. If you’re not having to give up your job to be a carer for your children with an eating disorder or autism then maybe feel happy and fortunate about that? It does happen that people have an unfortunate run of events and they lose their privileged financial position. The gap between rich and poor is ever widening in this country which would suggest the rich are increasingly wealthy and not hard done by at all?

Of course I am educating myself on this issue by reading informed and fact checked media.

the spectator???

Really? I see far more variations on the theme of “Work harder, peasant!”

I was waiting for that! Took you a while!

I’m also reading Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand.

Now that will make you even more scornful!

As you are educating yourself, go and have a look to the overall wealth distribution in tge current capitalism model. It will clear your mind. I think it shows clearly enough who has to ease the system.
Also, to the change in ratio of pensioners/ working people and the predictions into the future.
It is definitively not the disabled, especially the children????
Regarding mental health, they have been voices warning us of the poor service offered in MH for ages now. Well, it looks like they were right. How to fix it? On that I will listen, because I really do not know.

Absolutely prevention is incredibly important. However all the evidence is that people's mental health is better if they are employed- although it doesn't feel that way right now getting ready to start @ 8am, would have much rather stayed in bed.😀

That is something I personally feel. I am better mental health wise if I am busy and working. I feel accomplished and proud to contribute.
So I can imagine that whatever is keeping people at home with mental health issues is heavy.

people grafting and earning way less, working full time and still needing universal credit to keep a roof over their heads

Did you just ignore the fact they're talking about people working full time?

This. 6th form politics.

Trump’s a great admirer of Rand.

Is he? Ok.

I am reading it for the second time. First read it in my 20s.

Have you read it?

Labour have taxed companies extra for employing people so the job market has dried up.

Before the NI rise for employers kicked in I and most of the people I work with (zero hours contract) were getting 5 days work per week. Sometimes 6 or 7 days

Now we average 1/2 that amount. So most of us are having to claim UC

I also work with a lot of university students and in the past after getting their degree they would leave having gained employment in the industry of their chosen career

All those that left this year that I know haven’t got a single job offer. Several that left last year are back as the companies they got employment with have cut back on staffing levels.

No idea how anyone thought that billing employers for employing people was going to end any other way than a larger amount being spent on UC and housing benefit payments

All of these rises happened under the Tories, MH conditions? well, thats what happens when you slash NHS MH spending, when demand is increasing.

We all know how terrible and limited child MH support is.... those kids who couldn't get help 10 years ago.... well many now are on benefits...

Tbh though, if you have a tax bill of 80k, no mortgage, then despite your claim of "no luck" then you re doing very very well, doubtless due to your hard work but plenty on NMW work very hard too, yet have nothing at all.

The amount of people who are saying they wished they had never gone to university is growing. Some are 24/25 doing a minimum wage job, applying for every job they can find with no sign of their life changing apart from them getting older and more desperate. They have abandoned getting a job in their chosen industry and are applying for anything and everything and getting nowhere as the job market seems to have dried up dramatically since the NI increase for employers was announced