Trump wants to rename VE day "Victory in WW2 day" and Nov 11th as Victory in WW1 day"

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Apparently the USA did "more than any other country" and nobody was close in terms of strength, bravery or military brilliance - so he wants to celebrate victories.

https://bsky.app/profile/number10cat.bsky.social/post/3lo7buvd7d22d

Stats are here

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/students-teachers/student-resources/research-starters/research-starters-worldwide-deaths-world-war

Soviet Union
Military deaths: 8,800,000-10,700,000
Combined military and civillian deaths: 24,000,000

USA:

Military deaths::416,800
Combined military and civillian deaths:418,500

UK

Military deaths: 383,600
Combined military and civillian deaths:450,700

China

China
Military deaths: 3-4,000,000
Combined military and civillian deaths:20,000,000

If he wanted to upset Russia, this is how to do it.

It's also going to upset other countries who suffered massively in WW2 and also fought alongside the USA to defeat the Nazis and also the Japanese

It was reported earlier in the year that he had no idea about Pearl Harbor and someone had to explain to him what happened and why the events there were so important.

it's a bit rich to be hailing American bravery when he managed to avoid the draft himself . When he was called up for Vietnam he got out of it by being diagnosed with bone spurs in one foot though sadly he couldn't remember which one when asked years later !

The RAF prevented the Nazis gaining air superiority over the English Channel in 1940. Without control of the skies an invasion would have been a suicide mission.

Or do you mean if Britain hadn't got involved in the first place? Hitler had no real interest in Britain. If we had posed no threat to him, he wouldn't have bothered with us. But we stuck to the assurances we'd given Poland (at least until Roosevelt had surrendered it to Stalin)

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I'm sure he would argue that was divine intervention, ensuring he was available for his mission in 2025

Had GB not got involved to support it's allies then the Nazis would have occupied most of Europe, and there would have been no opposition left. Most of mainland Europe had fallen before the USA got involved.

If GB had pursued the sort of isolationist policy the USA did Hitler would probably not have attempted to invade. Indeed he had hoped to negotiate an alliance with the UK, and the likes of Oswald Moseley, the British Fascist Party, The Duke of Windsor (Edward VIII) and portions of the aristocracy would have been supportive.

There may have eventually been conflict between Stalin and Hitler but it would likely have been limited to Eastern Europe rather than involving most of the world.

President Trump seems to say things that he knows will please his hardcore supporters, but which will provoke anyone who is not totally invested in a very narrow interpretation of the 'Make America Great Again' trope. I do not think he cares about what is historically or statistically accurate, as long as he gets a response.

This approach has made him probably one of the most talked about US presidents, but his scattergun comments reflect an even more rapid fire approach to government. That is to say, he seems to be acting like someone who wants to make a short term impact, with no thought about the long term consequences.

For example, in his 100 days of office he has rescinded equal opportunity hiring regulations in federal government recruitment, massively increased border controls, ordered tariffs on nearly every trading nation, declared English as the official language of the USA, unwound efforts to combat climate change, forced the Ukraine into a mineral rights agreement with no real guarantee of continued support and so much more.

American insularity is nothing new. Indeed, it was exactly such isolationist policies that kept the USA out of the World Wars in the past, until the wars came knocking on their door. However, Trump's words and actions suggest something akin to delusion. He seems to want to redefine history, redefine geography and he is trying be the key player in conflicts in which there will be some monetary gain (again, nothing new there, this was the driving force behind colonialism).

The real results of Trump's strategy are yet to be seen. He has only been in office just over 100 days. However, I think his downfall will come from the American people. As the consequences of Trumpism start to appear, as the true and lasting results fail to arise, then President Trump will topple, only to be remembered as the worst president in the history of the USA.

It's also insulting that people talk about what the UK did in the wars and completely ignore the many people from other countries who fought for the British. I see it time and time again on MN.

Yet more evidence of his fascism. He’ll be having Red Square type parades next.

Exactly.
WW2 was more than the war against Germany. There was the fighting against Italy - especially the Italian campaign which rarely features in any WW2 film and was overshadowed by D Day and the subsequent fighting in Northern Europe. Fighting in Italy was incredibly tough.

The African campaign - fighting in the desert.
The campaign with the shipping - the Atlantic and taking supplies to Russia. Incredibly dangerous.

And of course, the fighting against Japan. Fighting through Burma against Japan.

And it was not just UK troops. Commonwealth countries were heavily involved as well as many other countries.

And the Soviet Union. A massive contribution following Germany's invasion.

Trump is absolutely as thick as shit. There has almost certainly never been a less intelligent US President.

And it was not just UK troops. Commonwealth countries were heavily involved as well as many other countries

absolutely

i haven't seen any posts suggesting that it was just the uk or uk/usa in either of the world wars (anyone thinking that must be think as…the clue is in the name) but I may well have missed them

To all those posts regarding the loss of Russian lives in the Second World War and surprisingly forgetting the other 14 republics of Soviet Union that fought and lost millions of their citizens. Not only Russians.

"How astonishing that Donald Trump knows nothing about the history of WW2 and doesn't know that VE stands for Victory in Europe and doesn't commemorate the actual end of the war", said absolutely nobody, ever.

He's an ignorant fucker. But that's not news to anyone, I guess.

I thought it was renamed "La La Land" as that's where Trump clearly lives.

Donald Trump is an ignorant fucking cunt.

I thought it was Facist States of America 🤷‍♀️