Why can't we discuss how fat we've all become?

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Obesity is becoming the norm. Why aren't we allowed express concern or any views that are less than celebratory about this?

I mean seriously why?

If whole parts of your country were in the grip of a meth addiction we would be allowed have a discussion about it.

National campaigns to stop people smoking are applauded.

Look around you. Look in the mirror. We are all getting bigger and bigger. It reminds me of when people would visit the US in the 80s / 90s and come back with tales of huge people and massive portion sizes.

Does nobody care? It's like the Emperors New Clothes. I don't get why it's a sacrosanct topic.

Yabu - it's nobody's business
Yanbu - it's fine to address this as a societal problem

What about these chair workouts you see advertised on Facebook? AnyoneActually had any success with them?

And yet there is research available for anyone to read to disprove your personal theory

Overweight people suffer constant harassment and prejudice

from low level comments , street harassment to serious prejudice in the workplace and medical mistreatment and neglect, overweight people are more at risk of misdiagnosis due to neglect by medical professionals, why on earth do we want their lives to become worse?

yes some people are in denial and need to be spoken to in a calm but firm way
but equally why should overweight people be expected to justify and apologise for their existence all the time?
think about how often on social media people are accused of “glorifying obesity “ whilst going about their daily lives whilst overweight it’s ridiculous and the undertones to that rhetoric are sinister and mean spirited.

Is there? ( ps that wasn’t a personal theory )
I haven’t seen anything
Can you post what you’ve seen
Thanks

I've recently got properly fit (I wasn't particularly fat but I was weak) and it's cost me a lot of money. Trainers were £150, gym membership £70 a month (and that's at a 50% discount through my insurance), clothes no idea but I've spent a lot. You need a few sports bras, lots of options for different weather. Even bloody socks!

I know it's possible without this but it's a hell of a lot easier if you can drop £50 on a sports bra or whatever without that fucking your budget for the month. Have you even seen the price of dumbbells!

I did, you answered the post

It's not important for everyone to lose weight though, not if they're not actually overweight. It's more important to do strengthening and flexibility exercises, than it is to look slim.

So here’s a quick headliner from the nhs.

I wasn't the poster who mentioned arthritis.

Obviously there’s no need to lose weight if you’re not overweight.
Theres no need to give up smoking if you don’t smoke either 😚

I mentioned earlier it’s not just about how we look healthier on the outside and that it’s also about what’s going on on the inside …… absolutely agree 👍 on that one

You did say that 'it's important for all people to lose weight'.
I just feel there's quite a bit of ableism and privilege being shown by certain posters on this thread tbh.

Apologies.
What were you referring to in your pp then.? as I was referring to arthritis and you disagreed…….or at least that was my understanding

or were you referring to free exercise ?

Part of what they do in Japan and Korea is shame and throw scorn on fat people. They don’t hold back.

I don’t think full on humiliation is great but we’ve gone so far the other way that obesity is celebrated and even called healthy

No you replied to a post previous to that.

Many Asian countries really do shame people who are anything other than very slender - let's not encourage that either.

If you are overweight then it is advised to lose it.
To keep your bmi within current nhs guidelines ( in the UK )

If it’s all muscle obviously it’s not an issue.

Nothing wrong with stating the obvious, it’s why OP started the thread.

Although you've acknowledged conditions can limit exercise, you've just completely failed to answer the question, instead choosing to parrot obesity statistics. Why is that? Could it be that perhaps you don't have an answer to how someone with a disability or chronic pain issues (and you'd be surprised how many of us there are, btw) can manage much in the way of exercise?

I have rheumatoid arthritis. I walk as much as possible (which isn't a massive amount) and do stretches and yoga-type exercises when I can, for the sake of my overall fitness, but it's difficult to burn many calories that way. My DH has problems with his knee joints that make walking very painful after a short time and rule out high-impact exercise altogether, so he's really struggling to keep fit. These are not 'excuses' as certain pps are probably flexing their fingers in anticipation of typing. They are genuine limiting factors and they do make it harder to lose weight as we don't have the option of burning extra calories in as many ways as people without mobility limitations.

Although exercise is obviously important for overall health, whether or not 'most' people are able to exercise is of limited significance to a discussion on weight, as there are many of us who struggle to burn enough calories to impact weight loss. Pp was pointing out a legitimate hurdle.

there are many issues we need to face up to as a society even if we individually don’t struggle. Obesity, drug abuse, child abuse, domestic violence, sexual violence, poor nutrition, education etc. it’s not all about you.

It’s not about looking slim. It’s about being overweight or not.

No, it's about being healthy. Someone who looks overweight may actually be as healthy as a slender looking person. Clearly, being morbidly obese is far from ideal, but it's really not just about being overweight or not. There's so much more to it.

I don’t know what the issue is
I responded re arthritis sufferers benefits in losing weight after a pp commented on this. Ok
I posted an nhs headliner on that as proof

You said it was my personal theory which of course it isn’t, it’s the NHS’s
and now there seems to be some thread posting issue ??

I don’t know what the confusion is here
If you can post What are you disagreeing with I’ll comment if I’m able.

I will note of course some people with disabilities including arthritis may find exercise difficult. That doesn’t negate the nhs advice to lose weight to make the affects less severe though.

@Violinist64 www.healthline.com/health/adhd/adhd-eating-for-stimulation
Because some foods stimulate the brain in an addictive way.
More prone to alcohol/drug abuse, and gambling, again having to do with dopamine.

Yes there are so many fatties around (including me!)

I notice a correlation between (lower) social class and fatness.

Many things are shameful. Racism, sexism, snobbery, homophobia.

Bigotry, intolerance, and making value judgements based solely on appearance, are also shameful.

A person needing to wrap more material around one's body than you do in order to be covered is not something that impacts you in any way, and if you genuinely consider it 'shameful' then I think you need to broaden your perspectives. I think you just don't like looking at people who are bigger than what you personally deem acceptable. And that's pretty nonsensical in my book.

You may be sick of 'body shaming nonsense' but some of us are sick of bigoted value judgements.

Of note the nhs posts lots of info on this area
Im sure people are aware but just in case some people aren’t have a look at their website.