Reform winning big

[Keirawr]

Reform had a good night, winning county councils, probably will win a mayoral seat and won the parliamentary by election also.

You don’t have to be a Reform voter to acknowledge that they are taking votes off Labour. Or that they are being electorally effective.

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

These same people also totally miss the point that winning is winning. Feeling all moral and superior about ‘oh well, what will they actually do’ changes nothing.

Perhaps those who label everyone that wants immigration limiting as ‘racist’ Will think again. But likely not.

There's no point arguing with you but practically every point you make is arguably wrong

You really think the electorate are allowed a say on anything of actual consequence? Let alone access to the information to make informed decisions? Voting is the equivalent of sitting in the passenger seat of your parents car with your toy steering wheel believing you're actually driving.

Oh was he the guy who punched someone and then continued to batter the whilst floored? Out now with a tag but came across very apologetic and surprise surprise blamed it on alcohol.

If so, I can see how that seat was for the taking.
Maybe he'll feel even more shit today. Good.
People voted for him in good faith.

No it doesn't. Right wing policies and decades of failure to act on the housing crisis means more homeless families.

What do you mean by non-Christian men?

I don't know but am genuinely curious. It reads like a goody, political post but perhaps @Keirawr has more to say. Perhaps he/she can let us know.

Whatever the case, as a couple of posters said above, Reform are attracting a lot of votes from 'the silent majority'. The main reason for this is clearly economic.

Farage will make you pay to use the NHS.

That should surely be enough to get many people to think about voting for them.

The other parties need to get Farage to talk about his policies on other areas that are important to them - especially the NHS.

He is very good at soundbites.

Maybe a Farage Government would show people what they are really like. And that running a country and having policies that are practical and can be funded is much more difficult than just soundbites.

You're right, it might bring out more of the Reform voters as well. But we can only hope!

Curious but how diverse is the area you live in? Just those very much for multi culturism tend not to live in those areas. I do and it is an absolute shit hole.

@inadequatepillow , you are so wrong. I know a lot of people who have a very high degree of education who support Reform. Your arrogance will come to bite you on your inflated ego.

The trouble for Labour is more people are thinking this of them.

Runcorn and Helsby isn’t ’right leaning’.

I've never lived there but I know Runcorn and I'm appalled, so I can only imagine how you're feeling. This would have been totally unthinkable a few years ago.

I am not missing the point at all, I am curious as to what people think they are voting for when they vote Reform.
People pretty much know what the mainstream parties stand for, but with Reform? No idea except maybe they have a plan for the small boats (hmmm let's see) and make you pay for your healthcare. Otherwise what are their plans for the economy, for education, etc? Genuine question nobody's answering because Reform voters are very defensive and they like to believe that when they are being questioned the rest of us are somehow demeaning them.

Someone we know, with a number of health issues and on NMW was going on previously about how Reform (or the likes of them) should move to a different NHS format and I said 'well you wouldnt get free health care, how would you afford what you get now'.

No answer of course.

I think Andrea Jenkyn winning the greater Lincolnshire mayoralty will be the big test. That is a lot of regional power. I know she has Parliamentary experience with the Conservatives but she now doesn't have a large established party behind her. Just Nigel and his cronies. The University of Lincoln was on my DS's list to visit over the next few months but I'm already thinking maybe he should look at somewhere else instead (probably unreasonably, I know Lincoln is not Lincolnshire) partly because he's mixed heritage and there's always an uptick of racism after Reform wins ( even though hes 2nd generation British born) but also I don't want him to live somewhere with a high likelihood of chaotic local governance.

Immigration. That's it. If either of the main parties would deal with that, Reform would not even exist.

I called this ages ago before the last general. Labour and tories arnt listening to voters.

I was shouted down by Mumsnet

I don't particularly want reform in parliament but it's coming.

I’m not a reform voter and never will be. They are a party that concerns me, and their voters even more so.

However, I’m from a large immigrant family, 4 generations on both sides is the last fully white British family. Both sides now have at least one immigrant parent/grandparent. I also married into an immigrant family. I’m clearly open to immigration and the positive sides of it, several family members work for the NHS. We are hugely mixed and ethnically diverse so not just immigrants from one country.

I recently went into my local town, it’s a small seaside town and growing up here my family were one of the very few non white residents.
The town like several UK seaside towns has really declined over the years. There’s been many EU citizens moving here, mainly Eastern European, Albanians and Romanians, Turkish etc. Some have opened up some fantastic businesses/cafes. It isn’t all bad. But for the first time last week whilst I waited in the car outside a cafe/bar which was full of young men clearly all from the same place speaking the same language, I did feel incredibly intimidated, I guess not knowing what they were saying, and that there wasn’t anyone in there that wasn’t from wherever these guys are from. Adding to that, we had a murder a few weeks ago on the beach, I don’t remember anything like that, of course both the victim and the suspect have foreign names. We have had a few other incidents where again the suspects have foreign names. For the first time I could see why people vote Reform. I can completely understand the frustration and anger. And I think if I, from an immigrant family was feeling threatened and intimidated in the presence of other immigrants then what must the rest of the people be feeling.

My family were incredibly integrated into the local community and the British culture. The first generation will argue you have to mix as we live in this country now, they are and quickly became very westernised. Of course we still enjoy bits of the cultures we’ve come from. I really do worry for the next election, even if I do completely “get it”.

I don't know much, but I do love thinking about what events in politics will be exam questions in the distant future. Curious. I wonder how it's all going to play out.

Of course many shouting down. It’s not surprising Labour leads to Reform increasing.

She didn't make great use of her time in parliament though, she certainly didn't use it to benefit her constituents.

A new dawn, apparently. They all keep saying “new dawn”. Nobody is really expanding on that much.

Did you read my post? You totally miss the point.

If I were Labour, I would look at the voting system.
We do have a FPTP system - I wonder how things would look if we had proportional representation - different systems exist in the world.

We have people who have to vote tactically to keep people out - people should be able to vote for who they want to under a PR system

That’s a complete cop out.