Reform winning big

[Keirawr]

Reform had a good night, winning county councils, probably will win a mayoral seat and won the parliamentary by election also.

You don’t have to be a Reform voter to acknowledge that they are taking votes off Labour. Or that they are being electorally effective.

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

These same people also totally miss the point that winning is winning. Feeling all moral and superior about ‘oh well, what will they actually do’ changes nothing.

Perhaps those who label everyone that wants immigration limiting as ‘racist’ Will think again. But likely not.

The single issue voters are adding up... I refer you to exhibit one - Brexit.

But unless you vote for Reform and get Labour worried they won’t do anything with immigration.

They are growing in support whether Labour keep making excuses and losing it I guess we’ll see.

The issue is governments not bothering to build more infrastructure, and also 'us' deciding we didn't want more people from Europe to come and work here

Local elections tend to be a protest vote. As do parli-by-elections. Similar things happened with BNP a few years ago. They didn't last. I don't think this would be a reliable indicator of what would happen at a Westminster election.

I would never vote Reform but there is a bit difference in our area since we have Roma live here. It is so much more dirty and rundown. Other immigrants seem fine.

I agree, good night for Reform and further evidence that the two big parties have completely failed to affect any meaningful change or properly address people’s concerns.

Truly depressing that some people think Reform is the answer though.

I agree with this.

I remember during the run up to the Brexit vote, people saying they didn't care about the facts. That will stay with me forever. Someone who has shown they care more about immigration than the NHS is unlikely to change their mind when presented with data. That's why I find it frightening.

What on earth has happened to the Tory vote??? its fallen off a cliff!

@Alexandra2001 , well yes The Conservatives are set to receive a hammering but the we knew that they had fallen from grace with voters. The really big story (aside from the astonishing success of Reform) is the appalling results for Labour after only ten months in power.

I keep hoping that’s what’s happening but even if that’s motivation for voters, Labour have done nothing helpful so far to address it.

I think one thing that is a factor is Islam and the dog whistle messages used effectively by reform. Many fear the diversity in our inner wards of our major cities and certainly many people do not want expansion of Islamic culture and social attitudes.within the UK e.g. entrenched misogyny.

Maybe reform is the party which tacitly aligns with reduction of non Christian faith the most and so has a following based on this. People may not be explicitly racist or anti non Christian faith but in the ballot box these biases may have a huge influence on voting patterns.

He wouldn't be president if he hadn't been on The Apprentice?

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Fucking someone get me out of this nightmare.

Have you been asleep for the past three years?

In all fairness there are no political debates on social media these days where people from whatever side don't come away feeling patronised. You see it all the time people resorting to smearing and insults of anyone who has voted differently to them. I apologise if my comment that all politicians are slippery self serving power hungry liars has offended you, but that's my honest opinion of the state of politics.

I have sky news on at the moment and just watched the acceptance speech and then interview with Andrea Jenkyns and am actually gobsmacked; putting people in tents and jibing at someone's accent-and this person was elected in? Horrible to see this kind of attitude in the UK; they may as well have rocked up in MAGA hats

I'd also like to know about their policies. I don't believe they have any. What changes will they bring ? They will save the health service by reducing immigration but simultaneously make people pay for their health care? How is that helping anybody?

Exactly! That's the fear.

My home city was shafted by the Tories in the "80s.Three industries decimated because it was 'cheaper' to produce coal,textiles ,and ceramics abroad.
As a country we no longer have the ability to revive these industries.
i fully understand why Reform are gaining momentum but they ,as a party, should cease with the racist rhetoric and provide practical and economical solutions to the reliance on overseas products that filled the gap after all our country's industry was decimated under the Conservative government.

She is a truly horrible person and the people who voted her in deserve her.

It's the people who didn't vote her in that got her I feel sorry for

The Labour candidate campaigned to close a hotel used to house asylum seekers - yet still lost. You should be directing your anger towards the appalling thug Mike Amesbury and a weak, spineless Prime Minister who lacks the balls to have an adult discussion about immigration. Those are the real reasons you have a Reform MP. The message to Keir Starmer is very clear.

Of course I have, but you've not really answered my question. You've just came back with another question

@OlivePeer ignoring then by dismissing them as stupid and/or racist is not going to make them change their mind or disappear. What is the alternative?

The NHS is an outdated and mismanaged model that simply cannot cope with the demands placed on it in today and needs changing - but that’s a whole other thread…

I haven't got the energy to explain.