Reform winning big

[Keirawr]

Reform had a good night, winning county councils, probably will win a mayoral seat and won the parliamentary by election also.

You don’t have to be a Reform voter to acknowledge that they are taking votes off Labour. Or that they are being electorally effective.

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

These same people also totally miss the point that winning is winning. Feeling all moral and superior about ‘oh well, what will they actually do’ changes nothing.

Perhaps those who label everyone that wants immigration limiting as ‘racist’ Will think again. But likely not.

Immigration has become like the whole trans stuff. The minute you bring it up, you’re racist. Just like the minute you bring up a genuine concern about an aspect of trans ideology, you’re a transphobe.

In reality, immigration is nuanced and there’s a lot of space between ‘send all brown people home’ and ‘let in everyone no questions asked’. Most people sit somewhere between those and the majority most likely in the middle sort of third, closer together than we might think. To ignore the actual issues around immigration and label anyone who does try to talk about it as a racist is how people do end up being pushed to the more extreme parties, and it’s what Reform are benefiting from. A lot of people are worried about immigration policy. That doesn’t mean they are necessarily racist.

Ah yes your jibes about Aus. I hope it works out well for you. So far not for Labour.

Here we go...again

The problem with allowing applications from elsewhere is it's potentially limitless and even if you refuse the claim they can just run to the ECHR and force you to pet them in.

The whole system is flawed.

I read their manifesto policies this morning. I mean a lot of them sound reasonable (some certainly not). But they are not doable in any shape or form. It’s a fantasy ‘bingo’ list with some absolutely ridiculous claims included.

I agree that all parties need to sit up and listen and do better - otherwise if Reform get in this country is absolutely FUCKED.

Leaving the ECHR no doubt. Then they can strip everyone of their rights. Not just the usual suspects. They’re akin to an abusive partner. They’ve distanced us from the EU so we’re isolated. We’re unable to leave and live anywhere else because we’ve lost freedom of movement. Next they’ll take our rights. All cheered on by wealthy oldies and people who just listen to sound bytes.

Absolutely spot on x 👏

It’s not a mere protest vote, but existentially it’s far worse for the Tories than Labour. By the next election the conservatives could well be a 4th party.

Unbelievable. What a thing for that poster.

It’s true it’s becoming impossible to find or afford accommodation.

This is due to a two-tier, privatised system, which pits people seeking asylum against struggling British nationals and regularised immigrants. It’s due to a catastrophically acute shortage of council homes. And a semi-privatised NHS that’s on its knees.

These are political decisions. Such as to keep selling off council homes, rather than retaining them and building enough. Then, instead, relying on (and paying) private companies and individuals to house people. Who benefits? Private accommodation providers and their investors. Not people seeking asylum.

Same with energy. Political decisions were made to privatise energy generation and supply. Private energy companies keep increasing their charges while making huge profits. Then, the state steps in and gives people help to pay for it. Is that crazy policy the fault of immigrants too?

And I’m sure you know of young men in their 20s who are ill and need a doctor or even hospitalisation. Some are even terminally ill. Refugees are no exception. In fact, many are victims of torture and have experienced very severe trauma (e.g. family members being killed).

Yes but some posters will have you believe it’s all on Labour. Serves their not so obvious propaganda.

@ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend , you say: I believe in the housing first model, but it needs to include supports and a key worker to ensure it is a success for them:

• Permanent, affordable housing;
• Mobile case management and treatment services (mental health, health, and addiction services); and
• A programme philosophy based on client choice and recovery.

How much extra tax would you like from this family to contribute to this paradise. Or is it another version of the Left Wing money tree.

Try telling that to the people of Lincolnshire. Then again, your delusion only serves to heighten Reform's gain.

Farage affords space to celebrate being British/English? Lol.

How about you learn to think for yourself? There are hundreds of things I celebrate about being British and none of them require or involve loud mouthed politicians.

Why does the country need Reform?

You do realise their manifesto is absolute nonsense and completely unworkable don't you?

How about voting for a party with a realistic project for improving the country, and the experienced politicians and public servants to deliver it, rather than an a immature protest vote because you think being kind and considerate is a lefty weakness?

Who says these things ? Who calls you racist or transphobic ? In real life ?

https://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/Registrations/PP7931

Not quite - recent YouGov polling showed that 32% of leave voters thought Brexit was more of a failure so far, 22% thought it was more of a success and 38% thought it was neither a success nor a failure (8% answered don't know).

Na the money tree’s gone because of the Tories.

@Julen7 for goodness sake they have only been in power less than a year, it’s going to take time to fix a very broken, oversaturated, slow asylum system. but I do remember a news item on full planes returning failed asylum seekers. Labour also immediately stopped throwing millions & millions of taxpayers money at the abject failure that was the Rwanda scheme.

You can’t expect instant results. For example, tackling obesity, there are no quick fixes unfortunately! It’s the same with this, it will take time to overhaul. And as much as people ‘roar close the borders immediately’ we are then faced with the issue that the UK labour market is entirely dependent on economic migrants ( consider who is working at the hospital next time you visit or at the motorway service station.)

Woah, clavinova - there’s a blast from the past. Condolences on the demise of Boris 😢

I'm talking about it on a forum that sees those accusations all the time. Here's the interesting part: those who dispute the stigmatisation of transphobia are normally those calling people racists. Funny that. How one can rebut a lazy label while throwing out their own.

reform are just worse tories, surely? Yes, they say what people want to hear but never how they will achieve that. It's more about forcing other countries to take people back - France for one when we did have an agreement with them under Brexit.....
I still think people should have to research parties and their voting records before a vote but somehow that's undemocratic even though we don't really have democracy under the current system

It is a model that is being implemented already in many other European countries even the UK. Not sure why you have such an issue with tax money contributing to it? Surely implementing an evidence based model that's proven to help support homeless peopleget off the streets, recover and sustain a tenancy and potentially get back to work etc is a positive thing? Probably less draining on resources in the long run

In 2010 TPS invested in the UK’s first Housing First pilot project. Since then they have grown their services across multiple local authorities, including Consortium partnerships with other agencies working across 7 Local Authority Areas.

https://housingfirsteurope.eu/country/united-kingdom/#:~:text=In%202010%20TPS%20invested%20in,across%207%20Local%20Authority%20Areas.

I still love Boris for all his faults.