Reform winning big

[Keirawr]

Reform had a good night, winning county councils, probably will win a mayoral seat and won the parliamentary by election also.

You don’t have to be a Reform voter to acknowledge that they are taking votes off Labour. Or that they are being electorally effective.

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

These same people also totally miss the point that winning is winning. Feeling all moral and superior about ‘oh well, what will they actually do’ changes nothing.

Perhaps those who label everyone that wants immigration limiting as ‘racist’ Will think again. But likely not.

I fully accept it's happening. I am strongly opposed to Reform but I have never called their voters horrible names and nor would I. Same goes for Trump voters. It's not fair to say that it's one sided The insults I've seen hurled by Reform voters to anyone who disagrees with them, are pretty nasty.
Many of us are very concerned by Reform's popularity and the implications of us. We're not just ignoring their success and shouting insults. We're just concerned.

MN is massively out of touch with the majority view on immigration so I’m not surprised that people are shocked on here that Reform did so well. It’s like the result from Brexit again which apparently people didn’t learn from, you talk down and belittle voters for having genuine concerns about the way the country is being run and this is what happens, the protest vote will always win.

@bluesinthenight I accept you say that you will not reply to anyone but when you say " when Farage incited last years' race riots".
You cannot justify that statement at all. It is not true. You should come back and explain.

Look to America to see what happens when you dismiss voters as being ‘stupid’ or think that surely X won’t win because they are a ridiculous human or because people care about human rights or equality over their own lives.

People failed to understand that Trump won because no matter how absurd and ridiculous he is, voters believed that their lives would be improved with him in power. They believed that they would have more money in their pocket. In the same vein, the people voting for Reform believe they will be better off with Reform.

People are inherently selfish. You can bang on about ideology and being left wing and right wing but the vast majority of people will, at varying levels of tolerance, vote for who they think will improve their own circumstances - essentially who will give them more money in their pocket.

I think it’s overly simplistic to say that everyone who votes Reform is racist; plenty may be, but plenty may not be interested or engaged with the immigration parts of policy or care one way or the other but feel that other pledges are going to make a big enough material change to their lives to give them a vote anyway. For many people it’s about tipping points.

Tories haven’t shown they can make our lives better, Labour aren’t currently showing that either, so it’s inevitable unfortunately that voters will look to a third option. I wish it wasn’t Reform but I’m not surprised that it is.

• All destitute people awaiting an asylum decision are entitled to accommodation. It’s unlawful for them to work or claim benefits, so otherwise how would they accommodate themselves? They’d be destitute on the street, unable to buy food.

Yes I know but is it always available to them? Genuine question. Same rule applies in Ireland but when the system was overwhlemed they were just given tents!

To end homelessness we need homes people can afford: council housing. We’re still selling it off.
Yes completely agree. A quick search will tell anyone the percentage difference in the amount of social housing stock being built now in comparison to the 60s 70s 80s and the percentage of stock lost through right to buy. Councils are now reliant on the private sector to house those in housing need and are paying a fortune for it. The simple solution is build more affordable homes!!

Where is the delightful Ms Badenoch? Not like her to be skulking in the shadows. Writing her resignation I guess.

The numbers are easy to see. They’ve gone up. That’s the problem for Labour. Well one of them anyway.

i'd rather do my research into each of the parties, their policies, their voting history, their candidates voting and personal history.

Having done that, i still wouldn't touch Farage or anyone who aligns themselves with him with a barge pole, and think anyone who does is clearly thick as pig shit.. or a racist, or possibly both.

I work for a homeless support group so I know for a fact this is not true. Every single day we have people ringing us to find a bed for the night and for the majority, the answer is “I’m sorry, there are none available” - what we can do … is tell us which bridge you’re sleeping under and we’ll send you a sandwhich and a bottle of water

We had a big hostel for many years but it got shut down. It now stands empty and the people who were staying there are on the streets - as there is nowhere else.

To rub salt in the wound, there are rumblings that the now empty hostel may be used to house asylum seekers.

My sister is a community nurse. She has to tell patients in their 80s and 90s that they are not entitled to home visits as they are not technically housebound and the service is too overstretched to accommodate them. After those phonecalls, she is then sent on her way to the asylum seeker hotels to visit young men in their 20s because apparently, they’re more of a priority.

And they wonder why people are turning to reform.

Offering landlords extra incentives to house immigrants isn’t the right way to go about it when we have a massive housing crisis and British people are being evicted so greedy landlords can cash in.

Where’s the ‘delightful’ Keir Starmer? Not like him to hide. Or maybe it is.

Can you see how insulting the OP is being? Setting a low bar.

I rarely see something I completely disagree with but here it is! Whether we like them or not, they're going no-where and only getting stronger. Labour have lost their core voters, by focusing on the liberal elite/champagne socialism... Conservatives have lost by being elitist toffs, and not using conservative politics.

Reform are currently, branding wise, nailing the working class person in this country, whether we like it or not.

Hopefully her and Starmer write a joint one together after last night’s results.

Polling shows that even a majority of Brexit voters think it went badly, and yet we’re sleepwalking into the premiership of its biggest cheerleader.

A country gets the leaders it deserves, I suppose.

Look it up? ? The only thing I can find on “looking it up” is that numbers have increased since Labour came into power. Agreed the Tories did nothing either.

Waking up to what exactly

I am talking about homeless families who are accommodated in emergency accommodation. I would be really surprised to hear that there are British families living on the streets?

Can’t wait to hear from him.

@EasternStandard Numbers went up hugely under the Tories. Heard of the Boris wave ?
It’ll take years to sort his mess out and the previous 14 years of promising and doing nothing. Surely a pragmatic approach would be to wait at least a year or two ?
What are Nigel’s plans to reduce immigration any case ? How come he gets away scot free with no explanation about what he’ll do ?

Inherited, black hole, pockets in his delightful way.

What an ignorant comment.

First of all, my XH is an Arab and I happily applied for his spouse visa. For immigrants to gain a visa to the UK, they are extensively vetted, even for a visit visa. As a Reform voter, I have many friends who are immigrants.

Most legal immigrants are a credit to this country and NHS. Illegal immigrants coming over on boats are not vetted and costing this country millions. In my area, there has been a lot of criminal activity amongst illegal immigrants, especially towards minors.

Also, hate to break it to you but I’m a slim, healthy woman in my twenties who doesn’t smoke or drink. Your stereotype doesn’t fit the majority of the Reform voters I know.

I’m talking about individuals. It appears that if you’re a childless British born person - nobody gives a shit if you’re on the streets.
If you’re a childless foreigner - you get a hotel AND meals.

Where’s Kemi ? Spouting shite as usual. Other day she said the Brexit agreement needed revising. The irony. From a Brexiteer 😂

@Kreepture

"i still wouldn't touch Farage or anyone who aligns themselves with him with a barge pole, and think anyone who does is clearly thick as pig shit.. or a racist, or possibly both."

I think this is a good example of why support for Reform will just grow.

Didn't you learn anything from the failures of Harris' campaign in the US?