Reform winning big

[Keirawr]

Reform had a good night, winning county councils, probably will win a mayoral seat and won the parliamentary by election also.

You don’t have to be a Reform voter to acknowledge that they are taking votes off Labour. Or that they are being electorally effective.

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

These same people also totally miss the point that winning is winning. Feeling all moral and superior about ‘oh well, what will they actually do’ changes nothing.

Perhaps those who label everyone that wants immigration limiting as ‘racist’ Will think again. But likely not.

People who have assets already fund their own social care.

"Winning big"? Hardly!

Probably about 10 years ago? It was around the time of Brexit and some council areas where there was already a cultural split did well in some traditionally conservative areas.

Can people please stop saying they'll emigrate. It's so incredibly offensive to actual immigrants. It's really not that fucking easy and it's rarely done on a whim by anyone over gap year age. Also, it's basically impossible for most of you since Brexit, so you're ironically falling into the Reform trap of thinking that people are just allowed to pop into any country they feel like because they fancied it

I agree and I said the same that Reform would take Labour votes but I was also shouted down.

I think for some people on here if you acknowledge Reform could do well then that must mean you're a Reform voter. And if you're a Reform voter then you are wrong. I really think there's lots of people with their fingers in their ears over this and they need yo wake up.

I'm not a Reform voter BTW 😂

Reform aren’t the ‘party’ those voting for them think they are. I get people are pissed off with politics and state of the country but Reform nahhhhh they aren’t going to save it either. They will hit the working class just as hard…

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

Or, to put it another way, Reform voters seem to have learned absolutely 0 from both Brexit and Trump.

The lesson from Brexit is spending your time calling people you don’t agree with idiots and stupid does not make them want to vote for you. The OP is arguing that the main parties need to engage with the disengaged not just call them names.

Jesus, its called POPULISM , and its as old as my Gran!

Its weird how if our child is sick , we want the best trained professor dealing with our child. If our car has a problem, we want a highly skilled mechanic with years of experience, if we are in trouble with the law, we want a erudite , polished KC senior barrister from Oxford defending us.

But for deciding our policies on health, education, defence , we want someone we can have a laugh with down the pub.....I think you are mistaking old fashioned populism with a 'new egalitariansim'

Farage will be the next PM , because like Trump he'll promise the Earth in the pursuit of nothing but power for himself, the population will believe him because he's the only one willing to lie big and promise solutions. The Tories tried the populist route and got found out their promises were full of hot air, in desperation people flock to Farage, Starmer doesn't promise anything , he's too much of a lawyer, and the masses hate him for that, he won the last election because he was the best bet to get the Tories out.

That said, some people may have recognised him from his earlier acting work, appearing alongside Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone. It was a happy coincidence that the scene was filmed in the aptly named Trump Towers.

My fingers are dead regarding Trump!

Instead of posters complaining about this post, they should read it.

Labour's answer is here. They need to very quickly and massively increase social housing, county by county for people who live in each county.

Instead of massively oversubscribed medical courses at uni, we need to increase the places for UK students and increase the jobs afterwards. We need to stop sourcing healthcare professionals from overseas as the easy option. We also need more doctors so people who need to see them can see them.

I am not anti immigration at all. But I am anti Reform and if you don't improve the lives of UK citizens, Reform will be winning the GE. And that's to the detriment of us all.

When will people learn that voting for anything connected to Nigel Farage is a very bad idea and won't lead anywhere good. He's shown that over and over.

Yes I think you are right

Its not offensive in any way shape or form, dont be ridiculous. People emigrate around the world every single hour of the day.

Depends on the level of assets.

Yes I never thought I'd be concerned about the demise of the Tory party, but they aren't even part of the conversation. It's all Labour v Reform. They are more or less irrelevant and their replacement isn't a socialist Utopia but Reform, which isn't even a party.

6 votes is hardly a landslide

Except they won't. Remember how Nigel Farage was Mr Brexit? Remember UKIP, then The Brexit Party? Once Brexit was done everyone said 'Nige will disappear now', except he hasn't. He's learned a lot from the Trump campaign in the US, which he has supported wholeheartedly all along, and now he's deploying those same tactics here, going for simple messaging, a handful of slogans, appealing to the forgotten working class, of which there are many and they are angry and fed up. Dismiss Reform at your peril. They aren't go anywhere, nor are the issues they've highlighted, nor are the ridiculed and derided lower education voters they appeal to.

But I think it is reasonable to point out that all the racists vote Reform

no its really not

my FIL is incredibly racist….he usually votes lib dem 😳

Given that I've said FPTP needs to go, it's fairly obvious that I think it was undemocratic.

Huge majorities aren't good for anyone. Huge yet shallow majorities based not on how impressive the winning party is but on how dire the outgoing government was prove that the UK isn't a functioning democracy.

Actually that’s fair. We are missing a trick somewhere.

I work in this area and it is no surprise at all that reform have won, in fact I predicted it a few weeks ago on another thread.

The local people, already living in a pretty deprived area, have been hit hard by massive immigration levels and all of the huge issues that causes (despite what the pearl clutchers on here would have you believe). Working in the nhs I have seen first hand many of these issues and the unfairness in the way the new arrivals are treated compared to the local population. People who don’t see this are blind to it.

I hope for their sake that this offers them a change and if nothing else makes the main 2 parties start listening to the people and making policy changes, I won’t hold my breath.

Looks like everyone didn't learn their lessons with Brexit. Lapping up the toad's self serving lies, hate and racism. We clearly haven't hit rock bottom yet. Shame on those who voted Reform.

I know a few Reform voters. I am not one of them.

Listening to them talk, they are fearful.

Fearful of uncontrolled immigration, fearful of crime, fearful of social decline, fearful of the way things were going for women's rights around trans issues.

I don't think for a second that Reform are the answer. I know very little about their policies beyond the ones everyone knows. But their voters feel they are being lied to by the Tories and Labour. They feel that they have been misled.

A lot of them feel that the major parties will lie and obfuscate truths and, tbh, they're not wrong on that. They see Reform as speaking 'common sense'.

So they see Reform as being plain speaking and not afraid of the uncomfortable truths.

Eg concerns around immigration and 'the boat people' exist because no one really knows the truth and 'nothing is being done'. For some, they are decent people who just want to work hard and improve their lives. For others, they are too many in number, unregulated and criminals. In reality, there will be truth in both perspectives.

They were also opposed to trans ideology when the major parties were pretending that "What is a woman?" was a really difficult question and David Lammy was telling us men could grow a cervix if given the right hormones. People might not have agreed with everything they said, but at least they weren't afraid to stand up and say they knew what a man and a woman was.

After that, they either just trust that they'll speak the obvious truth and common sense on everything. Or they just haven't thought about it beyond the things that bother them personally.

The major parties should actually listen to what people are communicating when they vote like this. Because Reform, for a lot of people, have hit the nail on the head in terms of problems in this country.

Oh one of thos, the great awakening lol waking up, the great asleeping you mean, a change of guards, You’ll truly wake up soon enough when you see that they are all a shower of shite 😁