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Owen Lawrence - Leeds crossbow misogynist

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SmegmaCausesBV · 29/04/2025 21:03

I searched but couldn't find a thread discussing this. There was apparently a "hate filled" manifesto on facebook before the attack in Leeds, where Owen used a crossbow to hit two women. He is a self-described misogynist and interested in the far right. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3evygw383eo

Often on here we talk about young men and boys and their misogynistic online presence but this guy was 38 - old enough to be a father himself and clearly not a respectable role model. AIBU to think the idea of men who are older retraining into teaching roles isn't going to magically reverse this and may indeed make it worse? This violent behaviour against women clearly spans all ages and the right wing authoritarians in particular. Does anyone know how men are still getting hold of crossbows after Labour were supposed to be banning them? Is anyone else becoming increasingly worried about the growing threat these men are posing to women out in public?

A man looking down at the camera. He has short grey hair and is wearing a black jacket with a hood which is zipped up.

Otley run crossbow attack suspect dies, police confirm

The 38-year-old posted online before the planned violence and listed his targets.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3evygw383eo

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CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · 11/05/2025 23:35

Tauranga · 29/04/2025 21:53

Most murdered women are murdered by men.
Left wing, right wing and in-between.
Christian, Hindu and Muslim.
All colours and creed.

It is unfair to say Reform and Andrew Tate lot.
It makes me think you are posting in bad faith.
I could tell you many ghastly and high profile murders committed by men who do not fit that description.

In Scotland 3 women are murdered a week. Usually by men.

Your statistics are wrong, (or Scotland is 10x more violent per capita).

In 2021-22, there were 16 female victims of homicide in Scotland, representing 30% of the total homicide victims. Between 2019-20 and 2020-21, the number of female victims decreased by nine from 19 to 10. In 2022-23, 25% of homicide victims were female, and in 2023-24, the number of homicide incidents recorded by the police increased by 12%.

One per month - not three per week.

In England and Wales, the number of female homicide victims in the year ending March 2024 was 156. This represents a 10% decrease from the previous year. The Femicide Census collects data on women killed by men in the UK, and in 2021, they documented 147 such deaths. A significant portion of these femicides, around 53%, occur at the hands of current or former intimate partners.

Males are more likely to be victims of homicide than females, with an overall rate of 16 victims per million population in 2023-24. The equivalent rate for females was five victims per million population

Tauranga · 12/05/2025 00:14

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · 11/05/2025 23:35

Your statistics are wrong, (or Scotland is 10x more violent per capita).

In 2021-22, there were 16 female victims of homicide in Scotland, representing 30% of the total homicide victims. Between 2019-20 and 2020-21, the number of female victims decreased by nine from 19 to 10. In 2022-23, 25% of homicide victims were female, and in 2023-24, the number of homicide incidents recorded by the police increased by 12%.

One per month - not three per week.

In England and Wales, the number of female homicide victims in the year ending March 2024 was 156. This represents a 10% decrease from the previous year. The Femicide Census collects data on women killed by men in the UK, and in 2021, they documented 147 such deaths. A significant portion of these femicides, around 53%, occur at the hands of current or former intimate partners.

Males are more likely to be victims of homicide than females, with an overall rate of 16 victims per million population in 2023-24. The equivalent rate for females was five victims per million population

Well spotted.
3 women killed every week in the UK.
Not Scotland. Apologies.

www.spa.police.uk/publication-library/violence-against-women-and-girls-public-briefing-february-2024/prevalence/

Trolleydolley · 12/05/2025 00:18

This man was clearly very seriously mentally ill - I think that’s the issue.

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I am not sure why you are telling us you have an infection and are obese. It’s not relevant to the thread.

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