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Owen Lawrence - Leeds crossbow misogynist

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SmegmaCausesBV · 29/04/2025 21:03

I searched but couldn't find a thread discussing this. There was apparently a "hate filled" manifesto on facebook before the attack in Leeds, where Owen used a crossbow to hit two women. He is a self-described misogynist and interested in the far right. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3evygw383eo

Often on here we talk about young men and boys and their misogynistic online presence but this guy was 38 - old enough to be a father himself and clearly not a respectable role model. AIBU to think the idea of men who are older retraining into teaching roles isn't going to magically reverse this and may indeed make it worse? This violent behaviour against women clearly spans all ages and the right wing authoritarians in particular. Does anyone know how men are still getting hold of crossbows after Labour were supposed to be banning them? Is anyone else becoming increasingly worried about the growing threat these men are posing to women out in public?

A man looking down at the camera. He has short grey hair and is wearing a black jacket with a hood which is zipped up.

Otley run crossbow attack suspect dies, police confirm

The 38-year-old posted online before the planned violence and listed his targets.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3evygw383eo

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JHound · 04/05/2025 22:31

Shame to see the incels found this thread. This story is awful and I don’t know what it will take for society to start viewing misogynist attacks of this kind as domestic terrorism:

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 22:32

Are we being targeted by dull misogynistic men for <checks notes> posting disapprovingly about a violent incel man who shot a crossbow randomly at some unknown women on a pub crawl?

Pomegranatecarnage · 04/05/2025 22:36

What should we do about young autistic men on the path to becoming incels?

JHound · 05/05/2025 00:17

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 22:32

Are we being targeted by dull misogynistic men for <checks notes> posting disapprovingly about a violent incel man who shot a crossbow randomly at some unknown women on a pub crawl?

Lack of access to women seems to drive some men literally crazy.

Tauranga · 05/05/2025 16:51

QuaintShaker · 04/05/2025 22:16

I do think its fair to acknowledge that the rise of open misogyny is associated with the recent trent towards right wing, authoritarian politics. It's certainly someone the United Nations have been discussing recently.

It is, too, something Farage has been leaning into - www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/03/farage-says-he-is-part-of-similar-phenomenon-to-andrew-tate-among-young-men

I'm certainly not saying that right wing men are misogynistic and left wing men are not, but it is a more pronounced and growing problem in certain subsets of right wing politics.

But I see left wing men as Tran supporting, right on, misogynistic twits.
Left wing men are horrific. Labour has never had a woman leader for eg. Labour will not investigate rapes by Pakastanis incase they are racist. Labour are not interested in supporting women.
Right wing men get all the intellectual papers saying they are awful but my experience is left wing men throw women under the bus even faster.

JHound · 05/05/2025 17:15

Tauranga · 05/05/2025 16:51

But I see left wing men as Tran supporting, right on, misogynistic twits.
Left wing men are horrific. Labour has never had a woman leader for eg. Labour will not investigate rapes by Pakastanis incase they are racist. Labour are not interested in supporting women.
Right wing men get all the intellectual papers saying they are awful but my experience is left wing men throw women under the bus even faster.

Why did the Tories never investigate then?

And how does not having a female leader mean they are sexist?

Left wing men can absolutely be sexist but looking at society it’s definitely a strong link between conservative / right-wing politics and wanting to roll back women’s rights.

TweetingHurricane · 05/05/2025 17:22

Grotesque scum, glad he’s dead and hope he had a miserable life. 38 year old man upset that student girls don’t want him, grim. So glad no-one died.

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KingscoteStaff · 09/05/2025 18:03

I think you spell whore with an o, not a zero.

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/05/2025 18:08

KingscoteStaff · 09/05/2025 18:03

I think you spell whore with an o, not a zero.

Probably can't type it because his mum won't disable the Kid Friendly filter on his tablet.

pointythings · 09/05/2025 18:17

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/05/2025 18:08

Probably can't type it because his mum won't disable the Kid Friendly filter on his tablet.

And the thing is that males like that genuinely can't see that if only they abandoned their attitude and behaved like normal human beings, they'd have dates and be so much happier.

Sidebeforeself · 09/05/2025 18:19

Reported this thread before I keel over with boredom at the sad losers comments

UrsulasHerbBag · 09/05/2025 18:20

Y’all not Yall.

CheekyTealBiscuit · 09/05/2025 18:30

Pomegranatecarnage · 04/05/2025 22:36

What should we do about young autistic men on the path to becoming incels?

Nothing.

CheekyTealBiscuit · 09/05/2025 18:31

pointythings · 09/05/2025 18:17

And the thing is that males like that genuinely can't see that if only they abandoned their attitude and behaved like normal human beings, they'd have dates and be so much happier.

Just world fallacy. No one wants "sad losers" as you call them irrespective of what they say

CheekyTealBiscuit · 09/05/2025 18:31

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Incisive, rapier-like wit. I bet you're fighting the women off with a stick, aren't you?

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pointythings · 09/05/2025 21:11

Killing someone because you can't get a date seems like a bit of an overreaction to me...

SmegmaCausesBV · 10/05/2025 15:40

Wow, the thread must have touched a nerve in his online wanking circle.

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