To be really worried about Reform?

[FiveHorse]

Just that really. They’re predicted to gain the most from the upcoming elections, if this carries on could we see a reform government at the next general elections? Or is it press scaremongering as usual?

This! We can't tow people back to France, they aren't French and we don't have any agreements with France becuase of checks notes Brexit.

Wwre they Indonesian? And how did Indonesia feel about or deal with this of not.

I can't see France saying ok. It would be like starting a conflict with france surely?

The best thing that could come out of it is that reform do really well then their voters are what they are actually doing within thei community which will be ill informed nothing. We need their supported to see them fir who they are

Of course they can. They can run on a manifesto and get mandate to follow an Aus system.

Runcorn & Helsby is a fairly new constituency, but is broadly the same as the previous one it was formed from. It was a labour/tory marginal and has swung both ways in previous elections. It has very diverse demographics. Reform support is evident in both deprived & more affluent areas. You can see signs up etc.
There are many candidates including green, lib dem etc. People can choose to vote for a party other than labour, tories or reform. However, many are choosing reform. As i find the views expressed by many in reform divisive & unpleasant i find this very unsettling.

And where will the British navy tow refugees back to?

To wherever they came from.

It worked in Australia.

I’m very concerned about this as polling shows they are very popular. They are taking votes from both Labour and Conservative.

This wasn’t possible pre Brexit anyway.

We do have an agreement with France to stop people coming over on boats not really worked out for us has it

They can't

International law prevents it.

I can't see France saying ok. It would be like starting a conflict with france surely?

France is facing a larger immigration crisis than the UK. However, France is not categorised as dangerous country. Therefore, as per the Geneva Convention, refugees should seek refuge in the first safe country they come to.

Talks are ongoing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99pg1men8po

It’s possible to do what Aus do, clearly otherwise they’d be stopped by international laws etc

Not many can due to geography but the UK could. The biggest hurdles so far are lack of mandate, but now parties will run on it for the next GE.

Why don't the authorities in France make it illegal to sell/buy/own inflatable boats without a permit ? Huge fines/prison if found in possession of them.
Where are the boats manufactured ?

@DuncinToffee

The Geneva Convention states that refugees should seek refuge in the first safe country they came to. France is categorised as a safe country. So, they either should have remained France or France should have returned them to the where they arrived from if it was categorised as a safe country.

How will we tow people back to Afghanistan, for example?

Incorrect. The UN Refugee Convention does not make this requirement of refugees, and UK case law supports this interpretation. Refugees can legitimately make a claim for asylum in the UK after passing through other “safe” countries.

No because France have 0 motivation to help us. Why would they? They aren't their natives.

There is absolutely no requirement for a refugee to claim asylum in the first safe country they come to. This type of misinformation is exactly why there is so much hatred.

Refugees can legitimately make a claim for asylum in the UK after passing through other “safe” countries

If so, why don’t they stay in safe EU countries if being in the EU is better than not being in the EU?

https://freemovement.org.uk/are-refugees-obliged-to-claim-asylum-in-the-first-safe-country-they-reach/

At the risk of sounding scathing I believe Reform voters are lacking in IQ.

Just the usual storm in a teacup.

Are we really doing "why don't they stay in xyz country"

OK...

1. because they may have family here
2. they may speak the language
3. most refugees do stay elsewhere - the UK received the fifth largest number of asylum seekers in the year ending June 2024 (97,107). The UK received 8% of the total number of asylum claimants across the EU+ and UK combined, and the 19th largest intake when measured 'per head of population'
4. we are signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention - so have a duty to take some asylum seekers, in cooperation with other signatories

I doubt this kind of posting will work

I'd be more worried about the compulsive liars and gaslighting lunatics we have now.

Reform will get my vote tomorrow.