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what do you think happens after death?

160 replies

Goldyyup · 24/04/2025 21:40

Only interested in perspectives if you think something happens after death not the perspectives where people think it is just the end.

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Grammarnut · 26/04/2025 15:41

Fgdvevfvdvfbdv · 24/04/2025 21:42

I like to believe in Heaven. Im religious to a certain extent - and I do like to think there is a heaven and hell, so that the really bad people get their comeuppance.
But im also scared that the end is just the end.

If the end is just the end, then you won't know, so there is no reason to be afraid. Heaven is to be with God, and according to various Christian doctrines this happens at once those who have lived a good life because God lives in eternity which is now and always. Various views on others who have sinned or are in a state of sin, but a waiting period leading to understanding of why they need to wait. Hell is absence from God.

Maddy70 · 26/04/2025 15:46

Well it is the end IMO just like switching the lights off

Onethingafteran0ther · 28/04/2025 15:10

AthWat · 26/04/2025 12:54

Why do you think your god created humans with the ability to not believe in him, and then punishes them eternally for doing this thing he made possible?

God created the world and saw that it was good. He gave humans choice, so we weren't restricted. Eve and Adam chose to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They suddenly became aware of evil. God was sad and humans felt shame. There was another tree in the garden of Eden - the tree of eternal life. In order to stop us from being caught eternally in this horrendous world of sin, God banished us from the garden of Eden and we now live on this earth... I think God wanted for us to do the right thing, but our own curiosity got the best of us. God willing all will repent and go to heaven in the end, but the world is a dark place... waiting for the time when Jesus will come again and there will be a new heaven and new earth. A relationship with God is glorious once your eyes are opened to it.

Onethingafteran0ther · 28/04/2025 15:12

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 26/04/2025 12:55

But there are several Gods in the Bible, very scant reference to hell, a mention of the Greek afterlife, hints at reincarnation. Different levels of heaven. Which level of heaven do you get to and why?

The Bible talks of one God, who is triune in form... There are not several gods in the Bible.
The Bible is a whole love story really. It has to be read as a whole, not separate parts.
Heaven doesn't have levels.

AthWat · 28/04/2025 15:27

Onethingafteran0ther · 28/04/2025 15:10

God created the world and saw that it was good. He gave humans choice, so we weren't restricted. Eve and Adam chose to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They suddenly became aware of evil. God was sad and humans felt shame. There was another tree in the garden of Eden - the tree of eternal life. In order to stop us from being caught eternally in this horrendous world of sin, God banished us from the garden of Eden and we now live on this earth... I think God wanted for us to do the right thing, but our own curiosity got the best of us. God willing all will repent and go to heaven in the end, but the world is a dark place... waiting for the time when Jesus will come again and there will be a new heaven and new earth. A relationship with God is glorious once your eyes are opened to it.

Yes, that's the story.
"God wanted for us to do the right thing, but our own curiosity got the best of us"
So your god is not omnisicient, then? He was wrong about what would happen? What else is your version of god wrong about? You're at odds with most Christian doctrines there. Is he wrong about lots of things? How can we put him right?

AthWat · 28/04/2025 15:31

Grammarnut · 26/04/2025 15:41

If the end is just the end, then you won't know, so there is no reason to be afraid. Heaven is to be with God, and according to various Christian doctrines this happens at once those who have lived a good life because God lives in eternity which is now and always. Various views on others who have sinned or are in a state of sin, but a waiting period leading to understanding of why they need to wait. Hell is absence from God.

Some Christian doctrines claim that Hell is an absence from God. Others, in what was very much the prevailing view through most of history, claim that it is lakes of fire with demons sticking pitchforks into you.

MaryGreenhill · 28/04/2025 15:33

Nothing, everything you were has gone and your body starts to rapidly deteriorate.
Such is life

Ethylred · 28/04/2025 15:34

Nothing. The clue is in the word death. You are dead, you are no more, you are an ex-person.

Goldyyup · 28/04/2025 15:38

Some people are struggling to read the OP.

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ShillyShallySherbet · 28/04/2025 15:40

Nobody knows of course but I hope and like to think there’s a collective consciousness that we return to after death and that even when we’re alive we are capable of tapping into that collective consciousness but it’s more difficult. Like how sometimes I can really feel a lost loved one is still with me or sometimes it can even feel like there’s a deity.

JorgyPorgy · 28/04/2025 16:10

Goldyyup · 28/04/2025 15:38

Some people are struggling to read the OP.

Yes it’s strange that some people simply just aren’t able to read your OP 🤷‍♀️

Onethingafteran0ther · 28/04/2025 18:42

AthWat · 28/04/2025 15:27

Yes, that's the story.
"God wanted for us to do the right thing, but our own curiosity got the best of us"
So your god is not omnisicient, then? He was wrong about what would happen? What else is your version of god wrong about? You're at odds with most Christian doctrines there. Is he wrong about lots of things? How can we put him right?

Yes, the God of the Bible and Christian doctrine is omniscient - I didn't say he wasn't. He knew it would happen - I didn't say he was wrong to give us the freedom. How am I at odds with the Christian doctrine? You've put words in my mouth if I've said anything anti-Christian. Part of faith is trusting in what you have not seen.

Do you mean 'is God wrong about a lot of things?' .. imo, no, God is good. Bad things happen because of the evil in this world. I can't explain that, but I can explain how a hope in Jesus ignites our souls in a way that transforms the lives of Christians. The Bible says we were blind, until we saw.

You ask 'how can we put God right?' - I don't need to put God right. I owe him my life and I am forever in debt to what Jesus did in dying for my sins. I can only give all glory and honour and power to him. When you are hidden in Christ no thing in all of heaven and earth can come between you and the Lord. So going back to OPs post... what I believe will happen when I die is that I will go in spirit to be with the Lord in heaven, and worship him for all of eternity. And live in joy and in no more pain.

What do you believe happens when you die?

AthWat · 28/04/2025 18:50

Onethingafteran0ther · 28/04/2025 18:42

Yes, the God of the Bible and Christian doctrine is omniscient - I didn't say he wasn't. He knew it would happen - I didn't say he was wrong to give us the freedom. How am I at odds with the Christian doctrine? You've put words in my mouth if I've said anything anti-Christian. Part of faith is trusting in what you have not seen.

Do you mean 'is God wrong about a lot of things?' .. imo, no, God is good. Bad things happen because of the evil in this world. I can't explain that, but I can explain how a hope in Jesus ignites our souls in a way that transforms the lives of Christians. The Bible says we were blind, until we saw.

You ask 'how can we put God right?' - I don't need to put God right. I owe him my life and I am forever in debt to what Jesus did in dying for my sins. I can only give all glory and honour and power to him. When you are hidden in Christ no thing in all of heaven and earth can come between you and the Lord. So going back to OPs post... what I believe will happen when I die is that I will go in spirit to be with the Lord in heaven, and worship him for all of eternity. And live in joy and in no more pain.

What do you believe happens when you die?

Edited

You said "I think God wanted for us to do the right thing".

But he knew we wouldnt. Or he isn't omniscient.

Pretty stupid in a god to want something he knew very well wouldn't happen, isn't it?

AthWat · 28/04/2025 18:52

AthWat · 28/04/2025 18:50

You said "I think God wanted for us to do the right thing".

But he knew we wouldnt. Or he isn't omniscient.

Pretty stupid in a god to want something he knew very well wouldn't happen, isn't it?

Oh, and I have no evidence that warrants me holding any belief about what happens when we die. Therefore I default to the null hypothesis.

StMarie4me · 28/04/2025 19:17

NoSourDough · 24/04/2025 21:42

You enter another consciousness, a mental one. You leave this physical existence where you are not bound by the laws of the physical universe.

Pretty close to what I believe too.

StMarie4me · 28/04/2025 19:18

Onethingafteran0ther · 26/04/2025 12:49

I believe that you go to heaven with the Lord if you have believed in Jesus Christ and the sacrifice he made to redeem the world and bring it back to salvation. I believe that if you didn't choose to trust God and have faith in Him then you go to hell. Hell is a place apart from God. Heaven is a paradise, where you can spend eternity living in the glory of the Lord. I can't explain it much more, but I believe that the God of the Bible is the Creator and sustainer of our universe.

Do an alpha course if you're interested.

Wow. Hell hey?

So the nicest kindest people in the World will go to Hell if they do t believe in Jesus Christ?

How can you say that to people? Just how?

gamerchick · 28/04/2025 19:20

I'm down with hell. Once hell is full the dead will walk... Or something.

Bring on the zombie apocalypse Grin

BreadInCaptivity · 28/04/2025 19:26

Nothing. We cease to exist.

Didn’t bother me before I was born and won’t bother me after I die.

I find that very reassuring tbh and an incentive not to waste the life I have.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/04/2025 19:32

StMarie4me · 28/04/2025 19:18

Wow. Hell hey?

So the nicest kindest people in the World will go to Hell if they do t believe in Jesus Christ?

How can you say that to people? Just how?

It’s fine. Christians define hell as a place without god. So, on the off chance that there is more (there isn’t…) then the non believers are destined to spend eternity without god as well. But as that’s how they spent their lives I don’t see any hardship there. And as I have had, and am having, a wonderful life without god, if when I die I find out that all of science was wrong and it just carries on then, while disappointed, I can’t see what more heaven would have to offer ;)

AthWat · 28/04/2025 19:35

StMarie4me · 28/04/2025 19:18

Wow. Hell hey?

So the nicest kindest people in the World will go to Hell if they do t believe in Jesus Christ?

How can you say that to people? Just how?

Well if there is a god, and this is what they mandate, it isn't really the poster's choice. You don't get to choose how you think stuff should be run, and any all powerful being is really just as likely to be a twat and do nasty things as not. Whether a god is nice or not doesn't really factor into whether they exist.

AthWat · 28/04/2025 19:36

Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/04/2025 19:32

It’s fine. Christians define hell as a place without god. So, on the off chance that there is more (there isn’t…) then the non believers are destined to spend eternity without god as well. But as that’s how they spent their lives I don’t see any hardship there. And as I have had, and am having, a wonderful life without god, if when I die I find out that all of science was wrong and it just carries on then, while disappointed, I can’t see what more heaven would have to offer ;)

Some Christians do. Others stick to the lakes of fire.

Grammarnut · 28/04/2025 20:59

AthWat · 28/04/2025 15:31

Some Christian doctrines claim that Hell is an absence from God. Others, in what was very much the prevailing view through most of history, claim that it is lakes of fire with demons sticking pitchforks into you.

Hellfire was very much a visual thing to encourage believers to support the church, pay for indulgences etc. There is no description of Hell - though Gehenna turns up in the story of Dives, I think (and it's uncomfortable but not a bonfire if I remember rightly). The OT is clear that not obeying God means not entering the celestial city, i.e. not being within the love of God, nothing is said of the Other Place (maybe they end up on the scarlet benches of the House of Lords forever debating gender woo, who knows!). Hellfire was also the stock in trade of evangelical evangelists - but there is no canonical evidence for this view and Jesus does not say anything except that those who do not follow the Way will not enter into his salvation.

Onethingafteran0ther · 01/05/2025 08:18

AthWat · 28/04/2025 18:52

Oh, and I have no evidence that warrants me holding any belief about what happens when we die. Therefore I default to the null hypothesis.

So why are you here? Just to criticize others who do believe that something happens?

Onethingafteran0ther · 01/05/2025 08:20

StMarie4me · 28/04/2025 19:18

Wow. Hell hey?

So the nicest kindest people in the World will go to Hell if they do t believe in Jesus Christ?

How can you say that to people? Just how?

Because I believe that the Bible is true.

Edited to add: I am actually a very nice person in real life and don't stand on street corners shouting that everyone needs to repent, else they will go to hell! I wrote a brief summary of my belief for this internet forum!

AthWat · 01/05/2025 08:37

Onethingafteran0ther · 01/05/2025 08:18

So why are you here? Just to criticize others who do believe that something happens?

I'm reading what you say and when there's an obvious hole in it, pointing it out. Don't you think that if someone says "I believe X" and X cannot possibly logically be true, it's worth telling them?

You believe there's a god who knows everything that has happened or will happen and yet can be disappointed when things don't go as he hoped. How do you square this? I'm not expecting you to give me an answer; I know you won't be able to, as it's a logical inconsistency. But if you think about it, instead of saying "why are you asking?", it might be to your benefit.

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