Discussion about Jesus’s death which now encompasses creationism and the second coming. Thread 2

[ZoggyStirdust]

Continues from here if anyone wants to

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5318577-to-not-understand-why-christians-think-jesus-died-for-our-sins?page=40&reply=143772264

I have no issues with different breeds of cats. As I have said many times, I do not doubt that evolution happens within species. However there is no evidence of a cat evolving into anything other than a cat.

It explains how the fossil records supports the view that there was a world wide flood? It frequently says that it is saying what scientists have said, it is science.

What has been the benefit to humanity by loving this god?

How can the scientists be sure if it hasn't been observed? I believe what God says, as he was there at the start of the world. Science backs up what the Bible tells us. I don't believe blindly, I looked into the evidence.

But where did the first ever cells come from? Life doesn't spontaneously appear from nothing. An explosion does not create order and life. And how did nothing exploded, anyway?

Yes they have. You saying they haven't doesn't make it true. They don't look like the original cells. They metabolise different food sources, their genes have changed. By every possible standard they are different species. And there are multiple different versions now. People like you will tie yourselves up in knots to try to deny the evidence that disproves your beliefs.

The Bible doesn't list every single animal that exists, why would it? Presumably the animals migrated to the climates they were best suited to, or God told them where to go, just as he sent them all the the ark in the first place.

Can you link to some evidence for this please?

I’m sorry you have been through so much and (genuinely) am glad that your faith brings you peace.

I cannot though at all understand respecting let alone worshipping a god who could use their omnipotence to answer the prayers of a child being raped and chooses not to, despite apparently answering other prayers. Able, but not willing. It’s an inexcusable and if such a god exists, I would be very comfortable not to worship him if he is capable of such callousness.

It's not what they evolved in to, it's what they evolved from - they are continuing to evolve, but evolution is slow. They evolved from miacoid-like carnivorans, a group of early mammals that lived during the Eocene and Oligocene periods. Inconveniently for creationists it's taken around 75 million years to get to the cat as we know it, which has remained broadly the same for the last 8 or 9,000 years... But, that's only 0.012% of the time they have been evolving so far. Lets see what they've evolved in to in another 75 million years :)

Exactly, some of these things do sound impossibl. If God made the world he isn't confined by it and so he can do things that seem impossible to us. There is absolutely faith involved, but there is still plenty of undeniable evidence for the historical accuracy of the Bible.

It really doesn't say that though, does it.

Why are you blaming God rather than the rapist? If everyone followed God's rules there would be no rape. But most people on this thread have said they don't want to live by God's rules.

Why do you need eternity? Why can’t you just enjoy the wonder of this life time, whilst trying to be the best version of yourself, as a human being?

Do you think that it is non believers who commit all the crime? Believers wouldn’t as they follow the rules.

Do you prefer this article?
www.icr.org/creation-fossil

To be honest they are as unlikely as each other but I realise talking animals are not something we are brought up to believe in.

Sure, if you want to believe in talking animals go ahead but I’m never going to wonder if animals really can have a conversation in English (or maybe) French. I wish they could talk though because I would like to ask my dog why she has to bark at every little noise in the garden, drives me potty (and probably the neighbours). I can’t respect that an adult believes in talking animals but I would look kindly on them if I met them in real life.

I’m not blaming god for someone using their free will to rape, if we work on the basis of free will existing.

I am blaming him for not intervening by rescuing a child who is being repeatedly raped by an abuser when they pray desperately to god for help.

Do you believe he answers some prayers? If so, why not that one? Why must that child live being repeatedly raped if god is omnipotent therefore able to intervene if he chooses to, as you believe he does with other prayers.

He could help though couldn’t he? You said your self ‘god can do the impossible, he wouldn’t be god otherwise’.

Or the bible writers didn’t know of their existence because they didn’t know about Australia or the Arctic or America? Maybe 🤷‍♀️

Although the bible references some real historical events, and real geographical locations, the bible is not a historical document, and no self respecting academic, for example, would say otherwise.

Some parts of the Bible are poetry or letters, but the gospels and much of the old testament are verifiable, historical documents.
www.thedestinlog.com/story/lifestyle/faith/2017/06/15/have-you-wondered-is-bible-historically-accurate/985681007/

I don't know the answer to that. But if God intervened in every instance of sin he would have destroyed us all long ago.

I don't believe animals talk in general, I just know if two times when that happened in the Bible. Those two times are recorded because they are so unusual!

Stopping an innocent child being raped wouldn’t have destroyed us - it would have saved a child.
This god seems incredibly cruel and basically only does negative things