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Daughters friend physically aggressive - no more play dates?

59 replies

Solocatmum · 20/04/2025 23:30

I’m not sure how to manage an awkward friendship situation.

I have a DD (age 4 Reception) and she has quite a wide friendship circle so we always have people over. One of our friendship group (more my friend) has a son who is a month younger but preschool as the school year cuts off between them.

He’s a nice kid underneath but highly strung and has aggressive rages if doesn’t his own way. No additional needs / known neurodiversity, but he’s been in middle of parental breakup and a bit of change (moving house/nursery). Result is his behaviour is, at times, really rather challenging.

Mum is a very gentle parent and tends to use some of the reasons for his behaviour as excuses for it. She tends to pander to / excuse the bad behaviour. It would be fine if that was just her affected by it.

Problem I have is the physical aggression towards my DD. She’s pretty stubborn not a wallflower but never physical as she’s tiny, just stubborn at times (mainly at me). If she plays up, she gets told very firmly.

I had a gathering with number of kids and parents. The kids were playing together but my DD got fed up with kids messing stuff in her room and wanted them out of her room (none of them should have been up there but I was hosting alone and sorting food etc). Anyway, as I understand it, during this my friends boy punched my DD in face and another dad chastised him and told me. I told his mum he had hit DD. She made him apologise (was forced no contrition) but she came up with excuse about some argument over the doors upstairs. I don’t think any excuse for a punch in face even if my daughter was annoying or in the wrong (other witnesses suggest not but she can be annoying and I wasn’t there so I’ll be neutral on that). Later there was also an incident in playroom with him pushing her. Again, I was in other room at time of incident but others parents commented that it was unprovoked other than dispute over toys. When I entered room I told kids to calm it and (very low tone quietly) gave the “no pushing/shoving in my house. If you are feeling annoyed please go and calm down” lecture. The kid then went full red faced angry rage and threw various toys on floor and actually at me. I felt quite stressed /nervous by the hard flying objects.

Now, I like mum very much. She’s a good sort and hasn’t had easiest time. But my DD is pretty clear she’s now not keen to play with the boy again. Frankly I don’t really want him in my house or near my DD if he’s going to get punchy. And I don’t want hard objects thrown at me.

So do I deal with the mum and land the “no more play dates/invites” message (and how do o do this - she’s a lovely and sensitive soul). Am i being too harsh to cut off play dates until he sorts his anger issues?

YANBU - no more play dates
YABU - give the kid a break

OP posts:
Maray1967 · 20/04/2025 23:34

Put your DD first and stop the play dates. If the mum asks or says anything, just say that you think it’s best if you keep the DC apart for a while given what happened. Entertain no further discussion. If she gets upset, that’s on her.

HateThese4Leggedbeasts · 20/04/2025 23:34

Yes no more playdates for a while but I don't think you need to announce it to your friend. She will either feel quite down about her DC behaviour when she's working on it already or not recognise his behaviour as a problem. Either way telling her her DC isn't welcome won't change anything.

I'd rather deflect any invitations and suggest catch ups without children for a while. If that isn't possible, be more unavailable due to unspecified other plans.

Temporaryname158 · 20/04/2025 23:35

If the mum is lovely, just see her alone without kids. A child who punches dd in the face and throws things at you isn’t a child I’d want to spend time with either and dd is right to have drawn her boundaries

PickledElectricity · 20/04/2025 23:38

Just don't invite him to any more play dates. If she invites your DD then say "no I don't think so given what happened last time".

I'm sure you don't mean it this way but your post comes across like you care about your friend's feelings more than your daughter's.

minnienono · 20/04/2025 23:38

I would give larger group meet ups in your house a wide berth for a while but supervised one on one might be more manageable. Sounds like a few kids and he needs more adult supervision

outerspacepotato · 20/04/2025 23:39

He punched your daughter in the face and threw hard toys at you among other incidents. Your daughter doesn't want him in the house.

No more playdates.

Harsh? WTF. Are you seriously thinking about letting him come over to physically attack your daughter or some of her friends? What are you going to do when someone needs medical attention due to his violent behavior?

You need to let this mom know her kid's behaviour is violent and unacceptable and no more play dates. It's time to draw a line and speak hard truths.

homeedmam · 20/04/2025 23:40

Your child was hurt and doesn't want any more playdates so stop inviting/accepting playdates. I don't understand why that's a question really.

MumChp · 20/04/2025 23:44

Yes. It woild mean no more playdates at my house without mum for a while.
I would suggest to go to the playground together. Mum can supervise him there.

Solocatmum · 20/04/2025 23:45

outerspacepotato · 20/04/2025 23:39

He punched your daughter in the face and threw hard toys at you among other incidents. Your daughter doesn't want him in the house.

No more playdates.

Harsh? WTF. Are you seriously thinking about letting him come over to physically attack your daughter or some of her friends? What are you going to do when someone needs medical attention due to his violent behavior?

You need to let this mom know her kid's behaviour is violent and unacceptable and no more play dates. It's time to draw a line and speak hard truths.

I don’t disagree. My mum thought I should be more forgiving as he’s not normally physical? and I started to doubt myself. Mainly because he’s not a bad kid at heart and up til the disasterous group incident, my DD has been very fond of him and they’ve always had fun.

But it only takes one push / hard object thrown to do some damage.

so I guess it’s how I land the hard truth - she’s already suggested a meet up tomorrow and I’ve met with silence as I think she’s unaware how both my DD and I now feel.

OP posts:
Tiredofallthis101 · 20/04/2025 23:50

Just be honest. It's not that hard.

Sally, I'm so sorry to have to tell you this as you are a great friend and up until now Bob and DD have had a great time together. But after the violence he displayed last week- punching DD in the face, pushing, and then throwing toys at me - I can't allow him back in the house. I do hope you can address the behaviour with him as would love to do playdates again in future, but until I am confident DD is safe I can't support future lay dates. I hope you understand.

Flipslop · 20/04/2025 23:55

HateThese4Leggedbeasts · 20/04/2025 23:34

Yes no more playdates for a while but I don't think you need to announce it to your friend. She will either feel quite down about her DC behaviour when she's working on it already or not recognise his behaviour as a problem. Either way telling her her DC isn't welcome won't change anything.

I'd rather deflect any invitations and suggest catch ups without children for a while. If that isn't possible, be more unavailable due to unspecified other plans.

i think this tactic would actually make her feel worse, people always get a sense of something being off and not knowing exactly what it is has in the past made me feel far more anxious than an adult conversation about a problem. It can be really kind and open but probably needs to be had if you want to keep her as a friend

Flipslop · 20/04/2025 23:57

Solocatmum · 20/04/2025 23:45

I don’t disagree. My mum thought I should be more forgiving as he’s not normally physical? and I started to doubt myself. Mainly because he’s not a bad kid at heart and up til the disasterous group incident, my DD has been very fond of him and they’ve always had fun.

But it only takes one push / hard object thrown to do some damage.

so I guess it’s how I land the hard truth - she’s already suggested a meet up tomorrow and I’ve met with silence as I think she’s unaware how both my DD and I now feel.

Do you think maybe the crowd was overwhelming for him? Has he displayed this behaviour before?

IstayhomeonFridaynight · 20/04/2025 23:58

You could tell her that as the kids have been fighting you think you should keep them seperate for a while, but tell her you'd love to meet up with her for a coffee before pick-up some day.

If you criticise her child, she'll make excueses for him, or promise to keep a really close eye, which makes refusing to meet up more tricky.

If you say you're not allowing her to play with him, as she will get into a fight with him, she can't reasonably argue with, as it's you punishing your child.

Very sad that this little boy is acting out, but it's not your daughter's responsibility to be his literal punchbag to take his frustrations out on. You need to put her first.

Solocatmum · 21/04/2025 00:05

Flipslop · 20/04/2025 23:57

Do you think maybe the crowd was overwhelming for him? Has he displayed this behaviour before?

When he was younger, yes. Things got better and he calmed but he’s had more upheaval recently again.

I’ve seen his temper lots but we usually see each other just us and them and he’s mainly ok or just throwing items not punches. I think numbers probably didn’t help. He’s struggling with authority at pre school though.

I think I would be less concerned if was being dealt with / acknowledged as a real problem such that more likely to be prevented. Rather, I feel like it’s excused as my DD annoyed him so that’s why he hit her. But that’s not something I accept.

we do have heavily supervised play dates, but I don’t want play dates at nearly 5 that involve detailed helicoptery supervision anymore.

I feel bad for his mum, but I can’t let her get hit.

just can’t work out how to land clear message kindly

OP posts:
outerspacepotato · 21/04/2025 00:08

To be clear is kind.

@Tiredofallthis101 gave you a good example.

Silvertulips · 21/04/2025 00:16

Then be truthful.

Hey, I think we will give the playdates a miss for a while, DD is upset and being hit and having their toys thrown at her. Maybe it’s best they are kept apart for now.

Happy to meet for a child free coffee sometime soon.

Silvertulips · 21/04/2025 00:16

Truth is, unless she stops this in the bud, he won’t have any playdates or friends at school.

WearyAuldWumman · 21/04/2025 00:19

Solocatmum · 20/04/2025 23:45

I don’t disagree. My mum thought I should be more forgiving as he’s not normally physical? and I started to doubt myself. Mainly because he’s not a bad kid at heart and up til the disasterous group incident, my DD has been very fond of him and they’ve always had fun.

But it only takes one push / hard object thrown to do some damage.

so I guess it’s how I land the hard truth - she’s already suggested a meet up tomorrow and I’ve met with silence as I think she’s unaware how both my DD and I now feel.

Agreed. Keep him away from your daughter and yourself.

What if he gets hold of a sharp object sometime? Don't risk it.

WearyAuldWumman · 21/04/2025 00:23

IstayhomeonFridaynight · 20/04/2025 23:58

You could tell her that as the kids have been fighting you think you should keep them seperate for a while, but tell her you'd love to meet up with her for a coffee before pick-up some day.

If you criticise her child, she'll make excueses for him, or promise to keep a really close eye, which makes refusing to meet up more tricky.

If you say you're not allowing her to play with him, as she will get into a fight with him, she can't reasonably argue with, as it's you punishing your child.

Very sad that this little boy is acting out, but it's not your daughter's responsibility to be his literal punchbag to take his frustrations out on. You need to put her first.

No. If the OP says that the kids have been fighting, that's assigning blame to her child.

dapsnotplimsolls · 21/04/2025 00:24

Don't announce it, just don't invite him again and decline any invitations.

NewNameBridget · 21/04/2025 00:37

If it were me, I'd say something like:

Let's have a break from playdates for a while, X has been losing his temper a lot recently, and the kids haven't been playing well together. I'm sure things will settle down, but for now, let's arrange a coffee just the two of us to avoid the stress.

FancyRedRobin · 21/04/2025 00:37

To present a different viewpoint, you could say to the mum that he hurt your daughter last time he was there, and she needs a cooling off period, as does he. If your daughter was agreeable, you could start short heavily supervised one on one playdates later. Saying to another parent that a child is welcome back once their behavior is sorted is unachievable because who could ever guarantee another person's behavior? What the adults in the situation can guarantee is their own, in giving close supervision.
If your relationship with this mum is important to you, it's worth seeing if you can work together on this.
I would also caution being too harsh on the mum, she's been through a marriage breakup and her kid is challenging, she's probably too exhausted to parent at times.
I would also not be very surprised if this child is autistic.

autisticbookworm · 21/04/2025 07:28

I wouldn’t meet anymore or at apush stick to parks/ outdoor activities. Or see your friend adults only.

Kilroyonly · 21/04/2025 07:33

Absolutely no more play dates, it’s irrelevant whether he may/may not be ND (sick of that excuse being used for poor behaviour).I wouldn’t want him around my child at all ever & his mother should be ashamed

saraclara · 21/04/2025 07:33

Hey, I think we will give the playdates a miss for a while, DD is upset at being hit and having their toys thrown at her. Maybe it’s best they are kept apart for now.

That.

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