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Why Use Piss? Don't get it.

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ImConfusedDotComHelp · 20/04/2025 08:49

What's the significance?

How do they think this will help? Makes no sense to me at all.

https://reduxx.info/uk-trans-activists-stage-piss-filled-protest-in-front-of-londons-equality-and-human-rights-commission/

UK: Trans Activists Stage Piss-Filled Protest In Front of London's Equality And Human Rights Commission - Reduxx

Trans activists in London staged a urine-filled protest outside of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) on Monday in response to proposed alterations to the Equality Act which would strengthen women’s sex-based rights. Members of the organiz...

https://reduxx.info/uk-trans-activists-stage-piss-filled-protest-in-front-of-londons-equality-and-human-rights-commission/

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SeedyHotel · 20/04/2025 19:25

Maitri108 · 20/04/2025 17:22

“Pouring piss is an anarchist act of resistance that stakes an urgent and lingering claim on our basic human rights … If you take away our toilets we will make one on your doorstep.”

“We’re going to piss in the streets until you let us piss in women’s loos even though we know they don’t want us there”

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2025 19:36

Nextdoor55 · 20/04/2025 19:16

Like the majority wanted the conservative government or labour or Brexit you mean?
Yeah. Pendulum will swing back. Just got to wait for it. Sensible policies will proceed following this ridiculous debacle.

This is the sensible decision, every idiotic pandering decision before it was the “ridiculous debacle”.

Sadly, as a Remain supporter myself, Brexit was a democratic vote. Thems the breaks.

bringbacktheladiesloos · 20/04/2025 19:41

They are just so aggressive and scary with their protesting.

Surely people can see why women need to protect themselves and their daughters from these kinds of people in changing rooms, places of refuge and vulnerability?

Their 'piss' protest has really made their aggression toward women very clear indeed.

They fucking hate us!!!!

PurpleChrayn · 20/04/2025 19:43

Because they’re disgusting men, behaving like disgusting men and thus proving why they shouldn’t be in women’s spaces.

utterly vile.

Helleofabore · 20/04/2025 19:55

Nextdoor55 · 20/04/2025 19:16

Like the majority wanted the conservative government or labour or Brexit you mean?
Yeah. Pendulum will swing back. Just got to wait for it. Sensible policies will proceed following this ridiculous debacle.

Nobody is going to be convinced that a philosophical belief about their own identity that doesn’t reflect material reality should be prioritised above the established science of biology.

I think you are wishful thinking that there is a pendulum swing back to prioritising male people’s demands into female single sex provisions going to happen here.

FOJN · 20/04/2025 20:06

MonochromePig · 20/04/2025 13:34

Think it is disgusting how this has been allowed to stay online. Reduxx is an alt-right transphobic site and this is just trolling to me.
I am 100% in favour for an open debate with different opinions, this however only comes across as another chance to have another dig at the trans-community.

POT proudly posted it on instagram, Reduxx simply reported.

If the trans community doesn't want to look bad then perhaps they should behave better.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/04/2025 02:16

Nextdoor55 · 20/04/2025 19:16

Like the majority wanted the conservative government or labour or Brexit you mean?
Yeah. Pendulum will swing back. Just got to wait for it. Sensible policies will proceed following this ridiculous debacle.

Female people having legal rights that are reserved for female people to mitigate the heavier reproductive burden and the deteriments and risks of structural and cultural sexism are not a debacle.

HTH

Tbrh · 21/04/2025 02:55

LoopyLouLaLa · 20/04/2025 09:04

I think the message they actually get across is because they are in actual fact men, they can pee standing up and therefore can pee anywhere.

Women can’t pee anywhere.

so they missed the mark on that one.

Edited

It's very ironic!!

FlakyCritic · 21/04/2025 04:47

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FlakyCritic · 21/04/2025 04:48

Nextdoor55 · 20/04/2025 16:37

Oh really? You don't think this is slightly dramatic? How are you going to feel if someone that looks like a man is using the next cubicle to you because they've not transitioned for example but they've had hormones? They have facial hair & the stature,
You've not considered this have you?
I just don't see the issue. It's been blown out of proportion, ridiculous to blame one marginalised section of the population for another equally marginalised. About time we all just started treating one another like human beings, not all transpeople want to see you have a pee & not all men are rapists, not all women feel angry with trans people either.

Males are the oppressor sex class and are not remotely 'marginalised'.
HTH

FlakyCritic · 21/04/2025 04:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2025 16:39

So @Nextdoor55you don’t think masculine looking women should be using female spaces? Interesting take.

They always tell on themselves. They open their mouths just to switch feet.

Gettingbysomehow · 21/04/2025 04:51

Their very actions prove that they are men.

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 21/04/2025 04:54

They need to just piss off quite frankly.

FlakyCritic · 21/04/2025 04:57

Nextdoor55 · 20/04/2025 17:49

Yeah don't try to misconstrue what I'm saying here. People are fluid now, about time we all woke up & smell the coffee. The world is changing, so is the human race.
Not everyone wants to see you pee. Not all women feel negative about transwomen being in female toilets. It's ludicrous. The whole thing. And there are far far worse things going on.
I'm not one bit worried about a transwoman using the female toilet, not one bit. It doesn't worry me.
However people who marginalise, hate & segregated for no good reason except for their own prejudice absolutely do make me nervous.

No one is fluid.

Females don't feel comfortable with a MALE in their female only safe single sex spaces. Why are you shitting on the headstones of our foremother feminists who fought hard for these spaces, and telling them they did it all for nothing? It's ludicrous to have as much hate in your heart for womens rights as you do. We segregate female from male for safety, privacy and dignity. Hateful Mens Rights Activists who shit all over the gravestones of our foremother feminists to appease predatory males make me nervous. You should be very, very deeply ashamed of yourself.

Why Use Piss?  Don't get it.
Why Use Piss?  Don't get it.
RareGoalsVerge · 21/04/2025 05:01

Piss is often used by mammals of various species to claim territory. It's a very biological urge and the smell of male piss is perceptibly different to the smell of female piss. It's also used to show contempt.

When an abusive and gaslighting manipulative partner in a relationship, who has been wearing a plausible mask of decency, gets angry because the partner they have been abusing, gaslighting and manipulating gets the courage and support to stand up and say "no", the mask slips and they show their real personality. This is the same thing happening on a massive scale.

FlakyCritic · 21/04/2025 05:06

Nextdoor55 · 20/04/2025 18:32

Em well firstly, it's not actually the majority, it was a legal decision. And we all know how flawed they can be.
And secondly, don't kid yourself that the decision will be "it" , because the pendulum will not stop. It will swing back again.
And thirdly, please don't patronise me. It's not about being kind. It's about fairness, respect for diversity & outrage that one group of marginalised are trying to victimise another equally vulnerable group.

I won't be part of that. It's going to reverse it's just a matter of time.

Delusional doesn't even begin to describe you. It was a unanimous decision, no matter how much you Mens Rights Activists hate it.

The pendulum has swung back already. Poll after poll after poll after poll after poll shows the overwhelming majority of people support female only spaces being female only. In FACT, each year that passes, and the more people see the true nature of 'trans' (read: Male Supremacy) activists, the more the public are turned off, the polls (and these are professional polling companies, not twitter or web polls) show trans losing the war each year that goes by. Their hatred and violence and attacks on women are being reversed. In 20 years time, when the trans social contagion and misogynistic cult is no more, Sociologists will study this era as one of the nastiest Male Supremacist eras ever.

We are pushing back. The pendulum has swung back. And it will only continue in one direction: WOMENS RIGHTS! We will not stop until marginalised females have our spaces back and these not at all marginalised alpha males are removed from every female only space. You suggesting that the pendulum will swing back to REVERSE womens rights is the same as the men saying after the suffragettes got the right to vote that the 'pendulum will swing back'. It didn't then, and we feminists will make fucking sure that it NEVER swings back to Male Supremacy as much as you want it to. You've lost the war. It's that simple.
WOMENS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS!
We are women HEAR US ROAR!

EasternStandard · 21/04/2025 08:31

Nextdoor55 · 20/04/2025 18:32

Em well firstly, it's not actually the majority, it was a legal decision. And we all know how flawed they can be.
And secondly, don't kid yourself that the decision will be "it" , because the pendulum will not stop. It will swing back again.
And thirdly, please don't patronise me. It's not about being kind. It's about fairness, respect for diversity & outrage that one group of marginalised are trying to victimise another equally vulnerable group.

I won't be part of that. It's going to reverse it's just a matter of time.

Yes you’re seeing the pendulum swing back now to pro women rather than anti.

Men won’t like it and we’ll see threats and violence including the op.

Thankfully the Supreme Court ruling is part of that swing back.

AhBiscuits · 21/04/2025 08:41

Protests that are in the majority men are always likely to be violent and aggressive. Men are 18 times more likely to commit a violent crime than women. Isn't it interesting that the same stat applies to transwomen? Despite allegedly being women, they remain as aggressive as men. This stat holds true even if they have had the surgery, not just the ones whose transition is limited to putting on a dress and lipstick.

WarriorN · 21/04/2025 12:29

Nextdoor55 · 20/04/2025 18:32

Em well firstly, it's not actually the majority, it was a legal decision. And we all know how flawed they can be.
And secondly, don't kid yourself that the decision will be "it" , because the pendulum will not stop. It will swing back again.
And thirdly, please don't patronise me. It's not about being kind. It's about fairness, respect for diversity & outrage that one group of marginalised are trying to victimise another equally vulnerable group.

I won't be part of that. It's going to reverse it's just a matter of time.

no it won’t.

why did women gain single sex spaces in law in the first place?

none of those reasons will ever change.

WarriorN · 21/04/2025 12:31

Nothing had changed other than ppl were breaking/ ignoring the law.

the only thing to go back to is the law, which is what the ruling established. That will not be changed for the basic scientific reason that humans cannot change their sex.

JHound · 21/04/2025 12:34

FlakyCritic · 21/04/2025 04:48

Males are the oppressor sex class and are not remotely 'marginalised'.
HTH

And intersectionality goes out the window…

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 12:36

JHound · 21/04/2025 12:34

And intersectionality goes out the window…

Male and female don't intersect.

TheeNotoriousPIG · 21/04/2025 12:45

On the bright side, they won't get foxes around there. Apparently, foxes do not like the smell of testosterone in male urine, and avoid areas covered in it!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 12:48

Nextdoor55 · 20/04/2025 18:32

Em well firstly, it's not actually the majority, it was a legal decision. And we all know how flawed they can be.
And secondly, don't kid yourself that the decision will be "it" , because the pendulum will not stop. It will swing back again.
And thirdly, please don't patronise me. It's not about being kind. It's about fairness, respect for diversity & outrage that one group of marginalised are trying to victimise another equally vulnerable group.

I won't be part of that. It's going to reverse it's just a matter of time.

No, you're right, it's not a question of the majority. It's not like Strictly Come Dancing, or Brexit where every Tom, Dick and Harry over the age of 18 got to vote, no matter how strong or weak their grasp of the issues might have been.

This was five Supreme Court judges, the most senior lawyers in the country, deciding on a matter of law. The law in question was a groundbreaking piece of equality legislation introduced by the last Labour government. The same party which was convincingly returned to power less than a year ago.

The Equality Act was the first piece of legislation of its type in the world which gave trans people comprehensive rights to protection from discrimination on grounds of their gender reassignment status. At the same time, it gave other groups, including gay people, disabled people, religious minorities and female people the same rights and protections.

If, during the Gordon Brown years when this legislation was being debated and drafted, parliament had intended for trans people's rights to trump women's sex based rights, I'm pretty sure it would have actually written that in the legislation. And then perhaps Gordon Brown and JK Rowling would not have been such good friends.

Where we are today is that the Supreme Court has examined the law, heard the arguments on both sides, and concluded that parliament intended to draft legislation that recognises female people as a distinct category in law and affords us rights and protections on that basis. Rights and protections which are not undermined by the existence of members of the opposite sex who wish to live as though they are women. (Those people have their own protected category, they do not get to take ours and use it to their own advantage as well.)

If you think the law needs to change, there are only two possibilities.

  1. You have not understood the law.
  2. You actually think that parliament should repeal or amend the Equality Act to erase the female sex from legal existence, remove all our sex based rights, require us to share our communal showers, prison cells and rape crisis groups with any male person who has decided that they identify as one of us. You want them to legislate to remove our right to exist as a distinct category in law, as well as our right to say no to people in the other category, who will also no longer exist in law, even if in reality we all still know who is not allowed to say no to whom. Do you really think this is a progressive viewpoint?
FlakyCritic · 21/04/2025 13:12

JHound · 21/04/2025 12:34

And intersectionality goes out the window…

Um..... FEMinism is about FEMales. There is no 'intersectionality' of male and female in women's struggle.