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TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue

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Peony1897 · 19/04/2025 17:16

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/

How dare they.

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porridgecake · 21/04/2025 14:48

TBH, I think the majority of those men on that protest have no complex thought process going on. They are violent, aggressive misogynists who have just found another, easy way to have free rein to intimidate, assault and abuse women with no consequences.
Some of the others are men with a particular fetish that has been much described and discussed on here. displaying that in public gives them a thrill.
Yet others are those with a particular interest in accessing and grooming children and they have also found an easy way to do it, mainly by setting up so called support groups and making creepy videos on you tube.
There are a tiny minority of quiet, peaceable individuals who have actual gender dysphoria and try to keep their heads down and live their lives, but I very much doubt they would be out rioting in the streets.

Helleofabore · 21/04/2025 14:50

Diverze · 21/04/2025 14:31

I am sorry -

I guess for a moment I was frustrated that I was trying in good faith to say, in response to a general invitation to explain what the protest is about if anyone could, "look, if you really do want to know why transpeople are upset, it's because in many cases they have a different belief system which leads them down a different thought process in this way" - not that I think in that way but that I am trying to explain that thought process - and within 2 minutes the very first response was "well I don't care, they have no right to barge in on women's spaces" (to paraphrase), which has been covered over and over in this thread, wasn't relevant to the point I was making, wasn't what I was arguing for at all. I wasn't saying "trans people think this and therefore they should have these rights to go in single sex spaces etc, their feelings should be more important than women", and it just felt like my intention was being misunderstood, again.

I personally am naturally GC and completely understand the viewpoint of women in needing and wanting privacy and dignity and the ability to define ourselves by our sex class.

Edited

I have reread the post. I read Ravens post as taking the theme of sincere belief, which we see regularly on media, social media and here, being used as a weak argument.

I did not read it as a post aimed at you personally at all. Just generally at the term ‘sincere belief’ which you used which was a reasonable estimation of what those parents do probably believe.

Diverze · 21/04/2025 14:57

Fwiw the FB page for parents of adults who are trans is very upset at the vandalism of the statues by a minority on the protest. A few people are trying to organise clean up groups. They are pretty pissed off with whoever did it.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/04/2025 15:05

Diverze · 21/04/2025 14:57

Fwiw the FB page for parents of adults who are trans is very upset at the vandalism of the statues by a minority on the protest. A few people are trying to organise clean up groups. They are pretty pissed off with whoever did it.

Were they already aware that trans rights activism includes this agressive and misogynist element, or has it been an eye opener that some on their side were not the reasonable and peaceful people they assumed?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/04/2025 15:06

porridgecake · 21/04/2025 14:48

TBH, I think the majority of those men on that protest have no complex thought process going on. They are violent, aggressive misogynists who have just found another, easy way to have free rein to intimidate, assault and abuse women with no consequences.
Some of the others are men with a particular fetish that has been much described and discussed on here. displaying that in public gives them a thrill.
Yet others are those with a particular interest in accessing and grooming children and they have also found an easy way to do it, mainly by setting up so called support groups and making creepy videos on you tube.
There are a tiny minority of quiet, peaceable individuals who have actual gender dysphoria and try to keep their heads down and live their lives, but I very much doubt they would be out rioting in the streets.

This.

Helleofabore · 21/04/2025 15:13

Diverze · 21/04/2025 14:57

Fwiw the FB page for parents of adults who are trans is very upset at the vandalism of the statues by a minority on the protest. A few people are trying to organise clean up groups. They are pretty pissed off with whoever did it.

Thanks.

I wonder if they will start to organise in their own groups now rather than simply joining in mass protests where they may or may not even understand what they are protesting. I hope so. If more and more groups form and detach from
the crowd who thrives on violence and intimidation, then maybe discussions can be had.

But as I said before, how many are paying lip service to saying they are moderate but are really not and will coast along behind the extremists hoping that that will be the outcome? Obviously, that is a general question that I don’t expect someone to answer. But merely a thought.

Tomatotater · 21/04/2025 15:18

Diverze · 21/04/2025 14:57

Fwiw the FB page for parents of adults who are trans is very upset at the vandalism of the statues by a minority on the protest. A few people are trying to organise clean up groups. They are pretty pissed off with whoever did it.

I mean, are they also pissed off at the people openly holding up placards advocating women were beheaded, burned as witches and hanged? Because all those people seemed pretty openly walking around, being completely uninhibited by disapproval.

Helleofabore · 21/04/2025 15:21

Tomatotater · 21/04/2025 15:18

I mean, are they also pissed off at the people openly holding up placards advocating women were beheaded, burned as witches and hanged? Because all those people seemed pretty openly walking around, being completely uninhibited by disapproval.

Apparently, there was not that many so we should just ignore them.

DrPrunesqualer · 21/04/2025 15:22

Helleofabore · 21/04/2025 15:21

Apparently, there was not that many so we should just ignore them.

Plus statues are more important than inciting violence against women apparently

DrPrunesqualer · 21/04/2025 15:26

Diverze · 21/04/2025 14:57

Fwiw the FB page for parents of adults who are trans is very upset at the vandalism of the statues by a minority on the protest. A few people are trying to organise clean up groups. They are pretty pissed off with whoever did it.

Have they mentioned the placards ?
Did any at the demo speak out at the time against them ?

( thats a question, not an attack, I know you’re having a tricky time on here )

OctopusFriend · 21/04/2025 16:08

Tomatotater · 21/04/2025 15:18

I mean, are they also pissed off at the people openly holding up placards advocating women were beheaded, burned as witches and hanged? Because all those people seemed pretty openly walking around, being completely uninhibited by disapproval.

Yes, they didn't seem to be challenged by anyone else attending. I wouldn't have participated in any protest where people had such vile slogans.

aylis · 21/04/2025 16:08

Are they upset because it is the wrong thing to do, or are they upset because it makes them look as bad as they are?

Peony1897 · 21/04/2025 16:10

Tomatotater · 21/04/2025 15:18

I mean, are they also pissed off at the people openly holding up placards advocating women were beheaded, burned as witches and hanged? Because all those people seemed pretty openly walking around, being completely uninhibited by disapproval.

Quite. Why weren’t they immediately rounded on, ‘hey that’s not what we’re about; take it down or you’re not welcome at this protest’?

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OctopusFriend · 21/04/2025 16:12

Peony1897 · 21/04/2025 16:10

Quite. Why weren’t they immediately rounded on, ‘hey that’s not what we’re about; take it down or you’re not welcome at this protest’?

Silence is complicity.

Kucinghitam · 21/04/2025 16:15

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/04/2025 13:32

Well yes, this has always been obvious. Two different groups arguing over what the word "woman" means.

The problem is that what TRAs and allies are demanding is not even consistent within their own claimed beliefs.

They simulateously demand:

  • that female biology is not the fundamental, necessary and sufficient property of womanhood

  • that resources and spaces that were put in place to meet the needs of people who do posess female biology morally now belong to people who are not biologically female based on this new definition even though they explicitly reject the very basis on which this things exist having anything to do with being a woman

  • that people who are biologically female must accept the naked physical presence of and potentially intimate care from people who are not biologically female because they are presumed to share this "womanness", even though that definition of womanness explicitly rejects commonality based on the body

  • that people who are biologically female are not allowed to say "ok, based on this new definition I'm not actually a "woman", however I am still undeniably female and have challanges

Do you see? The fundamental injustice TRAs are attempting to enact upon women isn't a different definition for "woman" (though undoubtably that is a huge issue in its own right), it is that we are not allowed to redefine ourselves as a result of it.

It is the incoherency of saying "a woman is not who you always thought she was" yet still expecting everything that was based on the old definition stay in place.

That tells us it is not our biology that makes us women but at the same time does not respect our right to say "Female biology is more significant to my life experiences and self understanding than this idea of gender, so if femaleness is not part of being a woman then I want to have spaces and language and rights that are based in being female rather than womanhood".

Because if "woman" is no longer tied to "female", there is no coherent reason for female needs, rights and privacy to be tied to the banner of "woman".

The two consistent positions are that womanhood continues to be specifically female, or that womanhood is not specifically female, in which case there is no reason that femaleness cannot be recognised and supported outside of womanhood.

That the latter is not considered acceptable by the Genderist movement tells you everything you need to know - it's not a coherent philosphical belief, it's simply a petulant land grab by people who want to have their cake and eat it, who are only concerned with their own accomodation and their entitled assumption that everyone else must fall into line and accept a new identity and the new allowable boundaries being imposed on to them.

This is a brilliant analysis!

OctopusFriend · 21/04/2025 16:15

Also: a few people are trying to organise clean up groups. Sounds a bit half hearted. We'll see what happens.
It would be very positive if there was condemnation of the offensive placards.

Helleofabore · 21/04/2025 16:23

Wasn’t the graffiti dismissed as ‘just chalk?’

Where have see seen that type of dismissal? ‘It is just tomato soup! / silly string / water / a cream pie! ‘.

DrPrunesqualer · 21/04/2025 16:25

Calling KEMI !

If you are on mumsnet today, as I bet you’re a lurker, please ask at Prime ministers questions

  1. why women are being treated less important than statues
  2. when will all the violent placard wavers be arrested
  3. Declare woman’s rights are adhered to now
  4. Ask Starmer to admit he was wrong…women do not have penises

care to add to the list Mumsnetters ?

although I’m sure she’s already prepared, willing and eager. If there was ever a women chomping at the bit to get to the PMQs it’s Kemi this week 👏

Kucinghitam · 21/04/2025 16:28

Helleofabore · 21/04/2025 16:23

Wasn’t the graffiti dismissed as ‘just chalk?’

Where have see seen that type of dismissal? ‘It is just tomato soup! / silly string / water / a cream pie! ‘.

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I think a Righteous poster dismissed it as chalk, and as we all know when a Righteous person identifies something, that makes it literally true Wink

Helleofabore · 21/04/2025 16:33

Kucinghitam · 21/04/2025 16:28

I think a Righteous poster dismissed it as chalk, and as we all know when a Righteous person identifies something, that makes it literally true Wink

You are right. I forgot. If someone says it is chalk, using the same post modernist theory as TW AW it must be so.

Waitwhat23 · 21/04/2025 16:44

Aberdeen Trans Action (including a few members of the infamous Polycule and the man who told a crowd, including a Scottish Green MSP, that he was going to 'shite on JKR') creating a disturbing walkway for women accessing toilets.

TRA's in Scotland are claiming that staff at Edinburgh Waverley were asking people using the toilet over the weekend to show id. It's complete nonsense - both Waverley staff (happy to be named) and Network Rail have refuted said claims but it's still being spread as truth by various cult addled MSP's.

Lies and violence is all they have.

TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue
TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue
aylis · 21/04/2025 16:46

Waitwhat23 · 21/04/2025 16:44

Aberdeen Trans Action (including a few members of the infamous Polycule and the man who told a crowd, including a Scottish Green MSP, that he was going to 'shite on JKR') creating a disturbing walkway for women accessing toilets.

TRA's in Scotland are claiming that staff at Edinburgh Waverley were asking people using the toilet over the weekend to show id. It's complete nonsense - both Waverley staff (happy to be named) and Network Rail have refuted said claims but it's still being spread as truth by various cult addled MSP's.

Lies and violence is all they have.

What a bunch of absolute c*nts. That is unacceptable.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/04/2025 16:47

That slogan doesn't exactly trip off the tongue, and a strange sentiment.

RATHER BE A SPINSTER
THAN LISTEN TAE WESTMINSTER

Easter Hmm
CrossPurposes · 21/04/2025 16:49

aylis · 21/04/2025 16:46

What a bunch of absolute c*nts. That is unacceptable.

The more they do this sort of thing the fewer people are going to be convinced.

OctopusFriend · 21/04/2025 16:49

Why are they so obsessed with toilets?

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