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The dilemma that won’t end

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kindnessforthewin · 18/04/2025 21:47

different name and account as when app updated I couldn’t get into my old one, however, I’ve found the old thread here, it’s long but essentially with 2DCs under 2.5 I just cannot be the non stop support my DSis wants and she won’t get the message m: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amibeingunreasonable/5216124-the-guilt-is-crippling-me?utmcampaign=thread&utmmedium=appshare

by way of update, DSis finally found a flat after realising I wouldn’t bail her out and let her live with me again (I had a newborn and 2 year old), and decided her time was up and she had to rent.

she rented……. On my doorstep. And that of her ex bf. Today I took time out of my day whilst DCs were napping at 1pm to meet her, and she spent the entire lunch crying about how triggering Easter is because we don’t have a family, how she bumped into her ex bf yesterday and it’s left her in pieces and how lonely she is.

since I’ve been back from our family trip (back for 6 weeks) she’s invited herself round at least once a week and I’ve had to tell her ‘no’ all but 2 times. I cannot explain enough to her, I do not have capacity for someone to ‘pop in’ or send me ‘are you around this evening’ messages.

yes in around this evening, like every evening, but 7-10pm (if I’m lucky) is the only time of the day im not running around after a 6 month old and/or 2.5 year old, a dog and the household chores. DC1 is at nursery 3 days a week and DC2 + dog home full time.

I don’t fancy putting my kids to bed and having another child walk in at 7pm. She’s almost 30 but what she wants is company, support, someone to take her pain away… every single week. Probably more if I allowed it.

I have tried to explain this but all I get I ‘I need you to be my sister right now’. Worth mentioning I’ve had her round for an entire afternoon and evening one Sunday, she was great, after me giving her home truths at the end of last year she actually played with DCs and tried to bond with them and helped a lot around the kitchen. Albeit she was still sat on sofa as DH and me were walking up to bed…never wants to leave.

second time I told her how stressed I was, we all were recovering from what we think was Covid, went on 10+ days, DH had final round presentations for new job he was behind prepping on and impending house guests arriving that weekend (a couple and their 2 DCs aka full on). Yet she called me the day after they arrived to borrow something, came round to get it and when she dropped it off same day, said she would pop in anyway. Again she was great, cleaned the kitchen and was helpful but again didn’t want to leave despite the fact we had guests. Zero emotional intelligence that I had explained I was so stressed with it all and still invited herself round.

the other 4ish times I’ve told her no……

even today 30 min before we were due to meet for lunch she said she’d locked herself out of her flat and called to come round. DH eyes rolled to back of head as we’d been up with DCs since 5.45am and DC2 was up several times in night for dummy run and DH feeling under weather…. I’d told her all of this when she messaged first thing to ask what time worked and I said only 1pm when DCs sleep. So she knew the reality of our day. I called back and said no point coming, I need to put DCs to bed and get ready and she insisted on coming just so we could walk together. Given she lives on the high street, where we were meeting I told her to putter around there for 25 min and she refuted asking what was she supposed to do on the high street for that amount of time. Tbh that would be my heaven but the dilemma is we have ying and yang lives.

In the end I text her to say literally no one can let you in, I need to shower and DH is broken and using his one hour child free time to lay in bed to rest before being with DCs this afternoon. Then she cried all lunch that I wouldn’t let her come and I make her feel like a burden. Of course I can let her come and sit in my house while I get ready but then it doesn’t stop there does it.

its such a dilemma because she’s so lonely, seems to not think she’s needy but is the most needy person I know, it pushes everyone away, including me, thinks she has the worst life in the world and seems to not want to sit with her pain and wants to come here regularly for company. I am on the short list and nothing I do or say will stop her relentless asking to come round. I had to work through all my trauma and sort my life out. I’m 8 years older than her but no one saved me.

anyone with 2 DCs and a dog will understand I have nothing left to give. My head is always exploding with stimulation and a never ending to do list. I’ve told her all of this but she repeats ‘I need you’. I don’t want anyone else to need me….. I need her to figure it out and give me some space.

DH thinks it’s a real dilemma and I won’t ever get through to her so shouldn’t even try. I get so stressed with her daily calls. Even around kids bedtime when I’ve told her 5-7pm is non stop for me.

Given her flat was only short term and up in July I said what a good opp to go back onto spare room and move further from ex (not on the same high street) so that would be one trigger less, and she said she doesn’t want to move because likes being close to ME. Again I said I can’t be what you need and she burst into tears again.

what do I do? Nothing is landing. My reality isn’t going to change. DC2 about to crawl and I’m due back to work soon…

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waterrat · 02/05/2025 11:18

@ChiliFiend I think this too - there are some deep attachment issues and family dynamics at play here - I feel sorry for both women here and wonder if even some family therapy or individual on both parts would help.

MatildaTheCat · 02/05/2025 11:51

@kindnessforthewin , I mean this very kindly but you have to stop giving her advice. She doesn’t want it, listen to it or agree with it. So it’s pointless.

I would reply to her message with a very short answer along the lines of ‘I’m sorry you feel that way and since neither of us are happy with this situation I am going to take a break for now. I hope you can find some help and solutions to your problems.’

You cannot fix her, you aren’t helping despite all of the energy you have poured into this. So step away and give yourself a break. Maybe therapy would help you with this overwhelming need to help fix her?

In short, step away and give yourself a rest from this drama. It’s not helping either of you.

kindnessforthewin · 02/05/2025 12:24

I should have said those messages she sent were in response to messages I sent her, a few hours after she went home. Honestly, I am not proud or happy right now, I’m incredibly stressed about it. I know I’m not being very nice to her but I’ve tried that, I’ve tried then pulling back and giving a little, I just am out of ideas right now. The fact she still protests that I’m not prioritising her tells me she really has mental health problems. She reminds me of my mum. She cannot see she oversteps the mark with me and whilst I don’t know the ins and outs of her failed relationships and friendships, I’d guess it was one way traffic there too and she cannot for the life of her see it.

Horrible as it sounds, I’ve shaken my past and now I’ve got her. Personally, it’s would be good day for me, the sun is out, my eldest is home from nursery today, I’m enjoying my family (albeit it’s full on) but I am not unwell, I slept, I’ve lost a bit of baby weight this week. I’ve waited my whole life to have my own family to right the wrongs of the childhood and hand we were dealt. I go back to work after summer and then the juggle returns and my youngest will catch every illness going and won’t see my DCs like I am now.

two posters were right, she is a black hole, everything wouldn’t be enough. Don’t give her advice is what DH has said to me, she doesn’t want it, clearly she doesn’t respect or even like me or she wouldn’t have treated me the way she has over the years (shouting at me after I took her for a fancy birthday meal 5 years ago for example).

here is an AI summary of our messages, I hope I’m giving a fair summary as I know I’m not angelic towards her but it’s from a lifetime of being drained, by my family but the past 8 years by her.

What I said:
I told her I hope she enjoys her trip and explained she needs a better living situation; I am not the solution, and I need to protect my own space and capacity. I reminded her I’ve processed a lot of my own trauma through hard work, and she needs to reflect on her own patterns, not just blame others. I pointed out that when I give an inch, she takes a mile, asking to come over repeatedly when I say I don’t have capacity, and this pattern has gone on for years, especially after breakups.

I reminded her of past times she leaned too heavily on me: calling daily when I was bedridden with COVID and pregnant, moving in with little urgency to leave, asking to come stay after her last breakup when I had a newborn.

I clarified I wasn’t blaming her but encouraging her to reflect on patterns so she can avoid going through this again. I expressed that I’ve done a lot for her over the years, but it’s taken a toll on my own mental health, and it’s not sustainable.

What she said:
She told me I come across as mean and that I shouldn’t tell her she’s the problem when she’s already struggling. She said all her friends and her ex’s friends think she did nothing wrong, and I’m quick to suggest it’s her fault. She said that repeatedly telling her I can’t be there because of my own family is disgusting, and I should prioritise her because she’s family.

She pointed out that when I was single, I wasn’t grieving a parent like she is now. She said she’s given up trying with me since Easter and that it’s not worrying to want to call her sister, her friends talk to their sisters daily. After I raised past examples, she said she’s been crying for hours and I didn’t need to bring all that up, she just wanted a simple walk. She said she’s done with going over this and will leave me in peace.

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Fraaances · 02/05/2025 12:53

You’re still engaging with her. Let her know that Peter Pan is a fairytale and she needs to grow the hell up and understand that adults don’t want to parent other adults. This is why her relationships with men fail and why she has pushed away all her friends. If she
continued to boundary-stomp with you, she will end up with the same result.
You are allowed to have other priorities and she is allowed to repeat her cycle of doom.
It sounds very much like she probably had BPD, and at her age it’s not likely to change.

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 02/05/2025 13:05

I feel for you and really relate to both your current situation 2 x babies and a dog amd a job and the "escaped my past" stuff.

Very Seriously, and i dont say this likely. Id go NC at least for a while.

You have a responsibility to.youtself your dh and your children.
Even in limited.doses she is just a looming dread on the horizon overshadowing things.

Get some space and get some peace shes already blown up so agree and leave her to it.

Notknots · 02/05/2025 13:26

I misunderstood in my previous reply to you op, my apologies.

You've tried so much and she really is being unreasonable. There's no need for talking to her daily, sisters or not.

She is not your responsibility. She needs to take responsibility for herself.

Step back now. She's said she's going to leave you in peace so take her at her literal word even if she is being passive aggressive!

kindnessforthewin · 02/05/2025 14:20

ChiliFiend · 02/05/2025 09:48

I didn't read the original post you linked but she comes off very strongly as someone who has been abandoned in childhood and is casting around for someone to make her feel secure. I think paradoxically if you made her feel safe and like she could always rely on you, she would appear less needy. Frankly I felt really sorry for her reading your posts on this thread - I'm not saying it's your job to fix her, or anyone's other than hers, but she sounds like she's really struggling.

@ChiliFiendi do respect the opposing viewpoint here. I would wonder if you did read the thread if anything would change. It does give some background on the amount of times she’s put out her hand to help, the refusal to grow up, the entitlement that has come with that and why I had to draw the line at the end of last year.

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kindnessforthewin · 02/05/2025 14:21

Fraaances · 02/05/2025 12:53

You’re still engaging with her. Let her know that Peter Pan is a fairytale and she needs to grow the hell up and understand that adults don’t want to parent other adults. This is why her relationships with men fail and why she has pushed away all her friends. If she
continued to boundary-stomp with you, she will end up with the same result.
You are allowed to have other priorities and she is allowed to repeat her cycle of doom.
It sounds very much like she probably had BPD, and at her age it’s not likely to change.

This is really helpful, I’ve just googled BPD and this sounds just like her. I’ve become increasingly frustrated towards her behaviours but maybe it’s not all her fault and she is psychologically hindered. I wish I could speak to her therapist.

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weaselstopper · 02/05/2025 14:57

I was going to say it sounds like your sister has BPD - she sounds just like my sister!

The biggest piece of advice I can give you is stop expecting her to grow/learn/mature, she just won’t. Trust me, I have had so many ‘crises’ with my sister where she vows she’ll do X, Y or Z, this is a new leaf blah blah blah. Never has she followed through on anything. She repeats the same patterns in her life over and over again, she’s always the victim. Once you accept this, dealing with her will become easier.

As pp said, allocate a time you WILL devote to her, and when she demands more say breezily ‘looking forward to catching up on Wednesday lunch’ or whatever it is that’s planned. Be breezy, because at the moment you keep getting sucked into the drama.

If you’re breezy and stop engaging with her (feeding her desire for drama one way or another) slowly she should start demanding less from you as she’s not getting what she’s craving (an emotional support animal)

weaselstopper · 02/05/2025 15:02

Oh, the other thing I wanted to ask was - is your sister always ‘up’ or ‘down/manic’, never ever ‘normal’/fine? Every event in life is turned into a huge emotional problem?

The breezy non-engaging with the actual issues approach will help with this. So this means no trying to solve things for her or asking her to read ‘The Rules’. When she moans about her boyfriend you say things like ‘yes that’s bad’ but don’t really engage. By trying to solve the problem you are creating a dynamic that she feeds off

JellyNellyKat · 02/05/2025 16:10

You do sound harsh but her decisions aren’t yours. Do you think she genuinely would comit suicide?

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