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To switch to Raw milk?

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eggybreadyy · 17/04/2025 14:24

What are your thoughts on Raw milk?

With the current hot topic of ultra-processed food, and trying to reduce this. Mainly for healthy reasons. I am considering switching to raw milk.
Upon googling lots of advice why not to do this, especially for children.
I have seen that it can have lots of health benefits if sourced from a reputable raw milk farmer.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 18/04/2025 19:29

Listeria, E-colo, Listeria?

Ruffpuff · 18/04/2025 19:29

You may as well eat your chicken raw while you’re at it.

Ecrire · 18/04/2025 19:32

If a person is stupid enough to think pasteurisation equals UPF, then a mumsnet thread is not going to de-stupid them.

What is next? Vaccinations produce ultra processed infants?

People often say that countries get the governments they deserve (excluding Afghanistan and the like of course). In these cases perhaps the better saying is play stupid games, win stupid prizes?

Ineffable23 · 18/04/2025 19:33

I am totally pro both pasteurised and raw milk. I do think raw milk tends to be delicious. I also really like the very low risk of disease from pasteurised milk. I wouldn't switch to raw milk entirely, but I'm totally happy to drink it, and to eat raw milk cheese, when the occasion arises.

baffledbyworksheets · 18/04/2025 20:03

I work in public health and often work on outbreaks of bacterial infections which have been caused by raw milk shops. It can make you very poorly.

I’ve worked with teams investigating the outbreaks and heard all sorts of stories about how easily contamination can get into milk on a dairy farm. It can be as simple as the metal barrel that the milk is transported in being stored near where floors are washed down, and splashes get on the neck of the barrel and from that, bacteria get into the dispensing machine. There is also the risks of bacteria passing from cows to humans via the milk, and the pus in the milk.

Pasteurisation was as someone else said earlier a huge step forward in preventing deaths from infection, and is not ultra processing.

rainbowunicorn · 18/04/2025 20:06

Coldfeetandnose · 18/04/2025 17:54

I buy raw milk from a local farmer, they have a refrigerated milk machine. You can bring your own bottle and there's instructions on the machine that you need to boil it and let it cool before drinking it/storing it in the fridge. Tastes great!

So you boil it which in effect does the same as pasturising it. Although taking it to boiling point destroys more nutrients than pasturising it. It's hardly raw milk straight from the cow by the time you actually consume it.

Jc2001 · 18/04/2025 20:10

Ecrire · 18/04/2025 19:32

If a person is stupid enough to think pasteurisation equals UPF, then a mumsnet thread is not going to de-stupid them.

What is next? Vaccinations produce ultra processed infants?

People often say that countries get the governments they deserve (excluding Afghanistan and the like of course). In these cases perhaps the better saying is play stupid games, win stupid prizes?

Edited

Why not explain to the op it's not a UPF then? Why not just be civil instead of trotting out a lot of tiered clichés? Why do people have to be such dicks?

Why the fuck are you going on about Afghanistan and governments when the op was talking about drinking raw milk? 🙄

TonTonMacoute · 18/04/2025 20:13

MrsFinkelstein · 18/04/2025 19:28

They're basically telling you to pasteurise it. That's what the boiling and rapid cooling is. Pasteurisation.

They're selling you raw milk and telling you to pasteurise it.

It's worse than that. Pasteurisation doesn't boil the milk.

The learning curve seems steeper than usual on this thread...

StIgantius · 18/04/2025 20:18

I said, “d’you want it pasteurised cos pasteurised is best”. She said, “Ernie, I’ll be happy if it comes up to my chest”.

Something to think about there.

dottiedodah · 18/04/2025 20:18

Please just all llkinds of no no no and no! Years ago we stayed at a farm ,were offered green milk .mum nearly had a fit! Her Friends had tb .it was really serious. Normal cows milk fro supermarket is fine and safe to drink

StIgantius · 18/04/2025 20:22

(Also people talking about unpasteurised cheese- it isn’t comparable to unpasteurised milk. The cheesifying process itself kills a lot of bacteria, meaning that unpasteurised cheese is generally fine unless you have a reason to take extra care, such as pregnancy or a compromised immune system. That’s not the case for unpasteurised milk.)

TonTonMacoute · 18/04/2025 20:23

I do think raw milk tends to be delicious.

Why do you think it tastes better, what is it in the pasteurisation process that can possibly affect the taste?

If you tasted the same milk from my local dairy farm, one glass pasteurised and the other not, I don't believe you could detect any difference in taste at all.

derxa · 18/04/2025 20:45

TonTonMacoute · 18/04/2025 20:23

I do think raw milk tends to be delicious.

Why do you think it tastes better, what is it in the pasteurisation process that can possibly affect the taste?

If you tasted the same milk from my local dairy farm, one glass pasteurised and the other not, I don't believe you could detect any difference in taste at all.

You would think there would be no difference but they taste completely different.

Jc2001 · 18/04/2025 20:56

TonTonMacoute · 18/04/2025 20:23

I do think raw milk tends to be delicious.

Why do you think it tastes better, what is it in the pasteurisation process that can possibly affect the taste?

If you tasted the same milk from my local dairy farm, one glass pasteurised and the other not, I don't believe you could detect any difference in taste at all.

It's well documented that pasteurisation can and does affect flavour.

That's not to say it's reason enough not to do it. But it's a fact.

CromartyForth · 19/04/2025 09:04

Biffbaff · 17/04/2025 20:50

Surely this milk is pasteurised - you must mean fresh rather than raw.

No, definitely raw. Sold at the farm gate, so legal, but very high tech.

Biffbaff · 19/04/2025 09:07

CromartyForth · 19/04/2025 09:04

No, definitely raw. Sold at the farm gate, so legal, but very high tech.

I looked up raw milk vending after my comment there and did find a Suffolk farm selling raw milk, cheese and butter like that. I hadn't come across it before - I had gone to a milk vending machine at a farm in Devon but that was definitely pasteurised. I'm not sure I would be brave enough to try even though the Suffolk one had lots of "we test this milk" assurances. The colour looked very inviting though.

CoffeeCantata · 19/04/2025 10:26

No, no, no.

I've known people who've caught TB and Brucellosis from raw milk.

I grew up on a dairy farm but I wasn't allowed to drink raw milk.

We've all become very complacent about what life was like before pastuerisation...and vaccination, come to that. The dangerous diseases haven't gone away - science controls them to a large extent.

TheWatersofMarch · 19/04/2025 10:28

Pasteurised milk isn’t a UPF. There is no way in the world I would drink unpasteurised milk.

Woodburnerisout · 19/04/2025 10:51

rainbow231 · 18/04/2025 17:35

The venom on this thread is a bit bonkers!

Do people know that Parmesan cheese is raw dairy? Raw milk is sold at various farms all round the country, at farmers markets, even raw dairy at the supermarkets these days (Isigny brand, all Parmesan and many other cheeses). As long as the farm is trustworthy there are no problems, and many health benefits.

OP, I have organic raw milk delivered monthly, have done for years, never had a problem and we’re all much healthier for it. And yes I do think that’s better than milk from cows given drugs to change their digestive systems (bovaer - what could possibly go wrong…)

Assume I’ll get a pasting now so probably won’t be back!

How on gods earth can you claim you're all 'so much healthier for it' ??! In what way? How can you account for that claim? You were all in mediocre health but the minute you started drinking raw milk you were cured of all your ailments?? Please do elaborate...

Yaaaassssssqueeeeeennnnnslay · 19/04/2025 10:59

eggybreadyy · 17/04/2025 14:39

Why are half the people on here so condescending and pretentious? 😂

Says the poster wanting to jump in the raw milk bandwagon because they saw it in TIkTok… may as well eat raw meat too while you’re there. Raw chicken can have ‘health’ benefits too I’m sure… if you’re worried about pasteurised milk, then just don’t milk.

rainbow231 · 19/04/2025 13:05

Woodburnerisout · 19/04/2025 10:51

How on gods earth can you claim you're all 'so much healthier for it' ??! In what way? How can you account for that claim? You were all in mediocre health but the minute you started drinking raw milk you were cured of all your ailments?? Please do elaborate...

Sure, I’d love to engage with this friendly and interested sounding poster…

TheeNotoriousPIG · 19/04/2025 22:12

e.Coli is quite rare. Dairy farmers are more likely to see mastitis in the form of clots in the milk. Also, if you have milked cows for a while, you can spot the signs of health problems such as mastitis, blood clots, e.Coli or injuries to teats, and treat them appropriately. Infected milk does not contain pus; it’s more likely to be mastitic clots, which are treated with antibiotics. Antibiotic milk does not go in the main tank, as you would have to pay a heavy fine for this, and your milk would be subjected to rigorous testing for some time as a result. You may have to dispose of your milk down the drain, or you could lose your milk contract. Antibiotic milk goes into a small dump bucket and is then discarded.

The only time that muck is ‘flying around’ the parlour is when cows cough and poo at the same time. That’s known as projectile poo! This is why waterproofs and hats come in handy for milking staff. Normal poos do splash, as yours would if they were liquid and you dropped them from a great height. As parlours are equipped with hosepipes, muck can be washed away very quickly.

Cryptosporidium is more common in calves. It comes from ingesting contaminated faeces. As there is a range of zoonotic diseases which can pass from cattle to humans, most farmers either wear gloves, or do an excellent job of washing their hands before eating or going into the main house!

Dairy farmers sometimes choose to clip the tails of the cattle (i.e. trim the hair from the end of the tail) to prevent it from becoming full of muck and urine, and to make it more hygienic for milking.

Cows are generally cleaner at this time of year, when they start going outside.

Some cows do get muck on their udders. If it’s very bad, they are hosed down with a high-volume wash (obviously, not on full-blast) to get the bulk of it off. Each teat is then dipped individually, left to soak while the cows on the same side of the parlour are dipped, and then the teats of every cow on that side are dried with cloths or paper towels. These cloths or paper towels are usually either used for one cow each, or one between two (depending on the size of the towel). You’d get quite quick at cleaning them if you had to milk several hundreds twice a day, every day, for years on end, especially if you work alone. Then the unit goes on, they’re milked, and then either dipped or sprayed (depending on the farm) to encourage the teat duct to close itself quickly to prevent entry routes for bacteria.

On slightly more modern farms, vacuum sucks the milk from the parlour, through a filter and then into a bulk tank, where the milk is cooled. It has to be below 5 degrees C for tankers to collect it. Farm tanks usually cool the milk to 2.9-3.5 degrees C. The entrance point to the tank is washed down at every use, to avoid a build-up of milky scum and bacteria. Once cooled, the milk is then sucked up into the milk tanker (which makes milk splashes impossible, because the tube from the tanker is screwed tightly onto the farm’s bulk tank).

Dairy farms are regularly visited by Red Tractor (if they are a member), Food Standards, National Milk Records, vets (for TB testing, routine visits and other emergency cases), companies that their milk contract is with (Arla, Muller, etc.) and a few other organisations that I can’t remember the names of. They’re tightly regulated.

lavendarwillow · 19/04/2025 22:30

I know someone who believes all conspiracy theories and they don’t trust pasteurised milk. They drive miles out of their way to a raw milk vending machine. Some religions (if they are being ultra strict) also say raw milk is better.

Not something I’d want to drink.

MissHollysDolly · 19/04/2025 22:35

the health benefits are negligible. If you’re trying to improve your health, try cutting down on dairy, full stop.

MaggieLouLove · 19/04/2025 22:36

i’ve heard bad things about- be careful mama bear