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Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'

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everythingthelighttouches · 16/04/2025 10:10

Finally.

There is no “triumph” for me.

i am delighted though.
I feel relief that this reasonable request for clarity has been heard.

The judge also said “the law still gives trans people protection against discrimination.”

As it should do. No one ever argued otherwise.

Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'
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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 16/04/2025 16:45

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:41

It says that under the EA 2010 there is a protected characteristic of “sex discrimination” which is reserved exclusively for women assigned female birth, and that these protections don’t cover “a person with a GRC in the female gender”. Those latter persons are also protected under the EA and their particular protected characteristic is gender reassignment.

It does not say that trans women are not women, or that they must be confined to third or male spaces.

Edited

Trans women are men, with or without a GRC, the judgement specifically refers to biological women, which TW aren’t.

Mba1974 · 16/04/2025 16:45

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:32

If trans people don't want to use mixed-sex 'third spaces' they are free to use the spaces of their biological sex

No they really cannot.

One good reason why!? If TIF’s want to use male spaces and put themselves at risk that is up to them as long as men don’t object. (But I know that the boys at my daughter’s school and their parents will be delighted at this ruling having had to put up with girls invading their privacy for some years now against their expressed wishes). If TIM’s feel at risk in male spaces that is for men to solve not women or girls.. Male on Male violence is not women’s problem to solve.

JandamiHash · 16/04/2025 16:45

and i still can't stand JKR

Bet she’s gutted

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:45

And why is that the problem of women?

what ab immature thing to say

miraxxx · 16/04/2025 16:46

mumsthewordi · 16/04/2025 16:37

some of the comments on these threads are really worrying for anyone's safety tbh, come on don't dilute issues of greater inequality and discrimination - yes a victory, but we have bigger systems at play here.

Edited

Quote them. Report them but I think you are talking bullshite.

Helleofabore · 16/04/2025 16:46

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:44

Because it would be a total violation of their dignity, personhood,
privacy, safety, right not to be subjected to cruel, degrading and inhumane treatment. I could go on.

Excluding them from a provision that they were never entitled to use in the first place is a legitimate act.

Their dignity, privacy and so on cannot be prioritised when a provision is using an available exception under the EA. That was the very basis of this judgement.

miraxxx · 16/04/2025 16:47

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:45

And why is that the problem of women?

what ab immature thing to say

No, it is exactly the correct thing to say.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 16/04/2025 16:47

mumsthewordi · 16/04/2025 16:38

and i still can't stand JKR

Given that she has no idea who you are she won’t give a f*ck what you think.

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:47

spannasaurus · 16/04/2025 16:43

The protected characteristic is sex not sex discrimination. Men and women both have a protected characteristic of sex and are covered by the Equality Act.

Yes you are right protected characteristic is sex “discriminatjon” is obviously not a characteristic

ArabellaScott · 16/04/2025 16:48

(18) Meaning and workability of other provisions

218:

'Read fairly and in context, the provisions relating to single-sex services can only be interpreted by reference to biological sex.'

https://supremecourt.uk/cases/judgments/uksc-2024-0042

For Women Scotland Ltd (Appellant) v The Scottish Ministers (Respondent) - UK Supreme Court

https://supremecourt.uk/cases/judgments/uksc-2024-0042

TheKeatingFive · 16/04/2025 16:48

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:45

And why is that the problem of women?

what ab immature thing to say

Women are heartily sick of being expected to put themselves out to clean up after men. We're done. Deal with it,

JandamiHash · 16/04/2025 16:48

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:45

And why is that the problem of women?

what ab immature thing to say

How?!

Women accepting biological men into their space is total violation of their dignity, personhood, privacy, safety, right not to be subjected to cruel, degrading and inhumane treatment.

So why is to immature to ask why trans people experiencing the above is the problem of women?

Or did you just not want to answer the question?

TheKeatingFive · 16/04/2025 16:48

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 16/04/2025 16:47

Given that she has no idea who you are she won’t give a f*ck what you think.

😂

spannasaurus · 16/04/2025 16:48

How is it inhumane to expect a man to use men's facilities but not inhumane to expect women prisoners to be housed with men.

Helleofabore · 16/04/2025 16:49

ArabellaScott · 16/04/2025 16:48

(18) Meaning and workability of other provisions

218:

'Read fairly and in context, the provisions relating to single-sex services can only be interpreted by reference to biological sex.'

https://supremecourt.uk/cases/judgments/uksc-2024-0042

Thank you Arabella.

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:49

Helleofabore · 16/04/2025 16:46

Excluding them from a provision that they were never entitled to use in the first place is a legitimate act.

Their dignity, privacy and so on cannot be prioritised when a provision is using an available exception under the EA. That was the very basis of this judgement.

Edited

Again, this judgement does not say that trans people are not entitled to use female spaces

TheKeatingFive · 16/04/2025 16:49

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:49

Again, this judgement does not say that trans people are not entitled to use female spaces

I see the spin, spin spin has begun 🙄

Arraminta · 16/04/2025 16:50

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:22

I get that they felt they didn't successfully fit into the male space because they were inadequate, for myriad reasons. But women don't want your spiteful inadequacies in our space either.
So, off you fuck.

wow.
wow wow wow wow wow.

So awful that this is already what the judgement is inciting. The judgement in itself it’s actually reasonable/ innocuous in what it does- but this is the true character of the danger/ damage it does.

Yep. Almost identical to how TWs danced gleefully all over our fears, isn't it?

Nameychangington · 16/04/2025 16:50

mumsthewordi · 16/04/2025 16:41

The ruling reinforces a framework that often benefits cisgender, middle-class, white women - the group most historically to be heard in feminist spaces and institutions. Meanwhile, it has a risk of side-lining the lived experiences of those already navigating layers of exclusion based on race, class and gender identity

intersectionality issues always get lost in these of legal binaries

Lol. These attempts to smear women's fight for our own words, spaces and rights says more about you than it does about posters here.

How do you think allowing males of any gender identity into the women's changing rooms benefitted the brown Muslim women or orthodox Filipino women who then had no where to use?Or letting then into women's prisons benefitted the overwhelmingly working class and abused women there? Who gave a shit about their lived experience or their intersectionality? Gender ideologues are incredibly privileged, so privileged you can't even see who you're trampling over with your progressive regressive ideology.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 16/04/2025 16:50

spannasaurus · 16/04/2025 16:48

How is it inhumane to expect a man to use men's facilities but not inhumane to expect women prisoners to be housed with men.

because men’s feelings are sooooo much more important than women’s

That’s how we know TW are men because their feelings were always prioritised over women’s

cavalier · 16/04/2025 16:51

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spannasaurus · 16/04/2025 16:51

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:49

Again, this judgement does not say that trans people are not entitled to use female spaces

If the single sex exceptions have been invoked to provide female only facilities the ruling today confirms that they cannot be used by men who identify as women because they are men

JandamiHash · 16/04/2025 16:51

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:49

Again, this judgement does not say that trans people are not entitled to use female spaces

Only because a judge could not rule on something like that. But it means a lot in law and practice. it means that women can say “Hey hang on I’m not happy about sharing a work changing room with a man” and not be accused of bullying, harrasment, bigotry and sacked.

It means that when a trans woman rapes a woman with his penis, she can’t be gaslighted by saying “That couldn’t possibly have happened as there were no men in the vicinity at the time only women”.

ArabellaScott · 16/04/2025 16:51

Lostcat · 16/04/2025 16:49

Again, this judgement does not say that trans people are not entitled to use female spaces

It sure diddly-does.

221 - 'if sex means biological sex, then provided it is proportionate, the female only nature of the service would engage paragraph 27 and would permit the exclusion of all males including males living in the female gender regardless of GRC status.'

Boomer55 · 16/04/2025 16:51

everythingthelighttouches · 16/04/2025 10:10

Finally.

There is no “triumph” for me.

i am delighted though.
I feel relief that this reasonable request for clarity has been heard.

The judge also said “the law still gives trans people protection against discrimination.”

As it should do. No one ever argued otherwise.

Good. About time. 👍

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