Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'

[everythingthelighttouches]

Finally.

There is no “triumph” for me.

i am delighted though.
I feel relief that this reasonable request for clarity has been heard.

The judge also said “the law still gives trans people protection against discrimination.”

As it should do. No one ever argued otherwise.

Transman on a man's ward = potentially unsafe for the trans man.

Not sure a trans man would feel that comfortable on a female ward would they ? Surely they’d rather be on a male ward.

Well TRAs have delighted in women being less safe.

i want trans people to be safe but not at the expense of women and girls. Stonewall and other TRAs could have campaigned for third spaces and trans facilities but they didn’t , in fact they purposefully targeted putting men in women’s prisons because they knew if that happened, everything else would fall in line. well they went too far and women want our stuff back.

Actually it was three men and two women.

The ruling is solely under the Equality Act 2010.

It's absurd that woman and women should be in there because biologically no one exists without us. Unless you want to be born by another female mammal such as a cow, horse or a pig - strangely words often used to describe women in anger and discrimination.

The SPS were advised by the lobbying group Scottish Trans Alliance whose (then) Director said this, for any doubters -

‘We strategized – we strategized – that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include trans women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise’.

Well TRAs have delighted in women being less safe

transphobic generalisation.

i want trans people to be safe but not at the expense of women and girls

There is no need for anyone’s safety to be at the expense of anyone else’s. Again, transphobic statement.

Stonewall and other TRAs could have campaigned for third spaces and trans facilities but they didn’t

This judgement doesn’t mean that trans people should have “third spaces”. Trans people are still protected under the act, and their protected characteristic is gender reassignment . trans people should not have to live their lives, othered, siloed and outed.

I hope this means David Lloyd are going to stop allowing men in the womens changing rooms now. I might email head office and ask them!

We’ve been able to for some time.

Perhaps, but this is an opinion forum and I am discussing a topic, not campaigning. I've raised some not unreasonable scenarios in the spirit of exchanging thoughts and opinions.

🤣

God, there's some hideous bile being spewed by men (formerly known as trans women) on X.

How much these men truly despise us and yet claim they are one of us (but no longer, hurrah).

I get that they felt they didn't successfully fit into the male space because they were inadequate, for myriad reasons. But women don't want your spiteful inadequacies in our space either.

So, off you fuck.

I'm so pleased about this. Several people I know have said "this will only hurt biological women in the long run" but I don't see how!

Excellent decision.

I get that they felt they didn't successfully fit into the male space because they were inadequate, for myriad reasons. But women don't want your spiteful inadequacies in our space either.
So, off you fuck.

wow.
wow wow wow wow wow.

So awful that this is already what the judgement is inciting. The judgement in itself it’s actually reasonable/ innocuous in what it does- but this is the true character of the danger/ damage it does.

The 'detriment' being that they (rightly) cannot use single sex services if they are not that sex, following the single sex exemptions and accommodations as stated in the EQA 2010?

For too long, lobbying organisations have falsely claimed that self id was the law of the land. It's not.

Soz.

Thoroughly enjoying JK Rowling’s X feed today.

This judgement doesn’t mean that trans people should have “third spaces”. Trans people are still protected under the act, and their protected characteristic is gender reassignment . trans people should not have to live their lives, othered, siloed and outed.

@Lostcat

Lesbian women and girls are often siloed and outed. Don't binary spaces, there's plenty of room for third spaces, and I suspect that many trans people would welcome them.

If a provision is created using the exceptions available under the EA to exclude male people, that includes all male people including those who have a GRC or present as female.

If a male person understands that they are excluded from a provision, are you trying to say that they would still try to use it and not respect that exception under the EA?

None of that is what the judgement says though. Read it please.

Remembering all those who didn't make it to see this judgement

Also all those who've been hounded out of jobs because they wouldn't submit to this cruel stupidity, @placemats

The worst of it is that I don't suppose this will change overnight - not with with the seizure it's had on so many mindsets within such as public service, the BBC and so on
They've clung so blindly to the diktat that I expect it'll be very difficult to shift

Yeah well a judge can say what he wants, he doesn’t tell me what to triumph.

Trans people, contrary to their delusions, are not the centre of the universe. This IS a triumph and it’s about women. It’s about women, not men - that REALLY slaps for some people. Ask yourself why.

Also trans people still have rights. But it’s not up to women to budge up in their spaces to allow in regressive men who say they’re women based on sexist stereotypes.

What do you think the judgement means in practice then?

If trans people don't want to use mixed-sex 'third spaces' they are free to use the spaces of their biological sex.

They are not free to use the rights, services and spaces reserved for that of the opposite sex.

The judgement was very clear on that.

I suggest that you inform us what you think it specifically means.