The US ultra-right should leave the UK alone!!!

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I was going to use a rude expletive in the thread title to truly reflect my thoughts on this. I've known about this insidious creeping influence for a little while but reading the article in the link below has made me livid. We are not going to be censored by foreign actors who understand nothing about our culture. I have often observed a false sense of familiarity among Brits regarding American culture but it goes both ways, and this attempt at dragging us along into the dark pit of ignorance should stay the fuck away from here:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/14/librarians-in-uk-increasingly-asked-to-remove-books-as-influence-of-us-pressure-groups-spreads

Relax, right wing frothers. Free speech heroine, and victim of the Deep State Elite, Liz Truss, is about to launch her very own version of twatter. Uncensored, free to spew forth as much venom as you like. With a bit of luck, all Trump admirers can shout at each other on that when taking a break from Elon's version. The ego!

“Trans issues” isn’t why they didn’t vote.

You have no way of knowing why people didn't vote.

Trans issues is why I didn't vote.

Well I do there are many articles online saying why they didn’t vote with a variety of reasons.

Those articles are nothing but conjecture.

Only those voters themselves know why they didn't vote.

If you talked to me in real life I probably wouldn't even tell you that I didn't vote, or if I did I would say it was because I thought all the parties were as bad as each other.

"Trans issues” isn’t why they didn’t vote.

It's part of the general preachiness and 69% of registered Democratic voters said they were against their stance on trans.

Ah so you can use conjecture to say ridiculously that the reason Democrats didn’t come out to vote is “ trans issues” but political experts and journalists with the where with all to get out and speak to voters alongside looking at surveys and data don’t.

I don't have any real faith in political experts or journalists, who usually get it wrong.

Most of them failed to predict that Trump would win.

YouGov is a polling institute with the resources to conduct such surveys. This article is helpful to dig into the reasons for political disengagement and what motivated people to vote - or not.

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49987-disengaged-voters-role-2024-election-biden-trump-poll

I don't have any real faith in political experts or journalists, who usually get it wrong.

Predictions of human behaviour are notoriously difficult to make with accuracy because ultimately a lot rests on emotions. However, expertise on FACTS such as how economics work, knowledge about political institutions, or the Constitution, or geopolitics, or science, all those require people who actually know stuff. Not paid influencers.

I’m finding the irony in what is going on in USA right now regarding this is what they were calling fundamentalism in other religions. They really aren’t that far from closing that circle

But this article predates the election and seems to suggest that the Democrats are more likely to win, citing Trump's convictions as a contributing factor.

I know it does! It's still helpful to understand the level of disengagement among people eligible to vote in 2024. It's interesting to see the context in which Trump did win later on.

Ok however I would have more faith in what they have to say rather than a MN anti trans frother.

‘MN anti-trans frother’ 🤣🤣. Is this now the default retort when you’ve ran out of anything intelligent to say, and all comprehension around such matters (not that there was much to begin with) has up and left the building?.

I’m not the one making a ridiculous claim
and ignoring the large amount of evidence that highlights the inaccuracy of such a
claim.

It’s not ridiculous. There are lots of Americans that don’t want to see men like Lia Thomas taking places and winning medals at the expense of women.

Men being in women’s spaces and sports is a big deal for many both sides of the water, and it does form their voting choices. Lia Thomas, Fallon Fox, the Wi Spa incident, to name a few. Shouting ‘it’s cos you’re anti-trans frothers’ when it’s very much a male issue is just pathetic.

Call me a cynic but if the integrity of women sports was really so important to so many people then why is there still such a huge pay gap between male and female athletes?

Since when does believing that those of us silly enough to be born without penises should have equal rights to those clever enough to be born with penises make one an "anti trans frother"?

Why should I pay any attention to anyone who says such stupid things?

I’m sure if the people that are bothered about the integrity of women’s sports could change it they would. It’s still very much a man’s world after all.

"Women are already disadvantaged in sport so it doesn't matter if we disadvantage them further because no one actually cares" is quite the hot take.

Isn’t it!

However it is not why Democrats didn’t vote.

Loving the way the hot take is who plays what in sport trumps pretty much everything else( if you’ll pardon the pun).

Democrats didn't vote because they didn't think a Harris administration would really do anything for them (only for they/them, as Trump said) so they couldn't be bothered.

The bonkers focus on trans people (a tiny and already very privileged minority) contributed to that.