To be scared that woke now means respectful

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The Mickey Rourke saga on CBB has really got me quite scared for society.

What he said to Jojo was absolutely fucking disgusting, but 90% of the reaction I've seen on SM is "omg woke snowflakes offended by everything mickey to win legend" or words to that effect and it's made me wonder is that where we are now ?

Is it now woke to show basic respect to others differences ? Conversely is it a show of protest against "wokeism" to head back to using slurs because- free country.

It's made me really scared. More of my friends are experiencing having slurs shouted at them in the street now (dyke, mostky) this just didn't happen as little as five years ago. Do people now feel like they can say what they like???

Very scared for society.

I don't know whether it's because things went too far the other way (people being 'cancelled' for having a different, perfectly legitimate opinion) and there's a backlash. Don't know what's been going on with CBB, but they need the programme to generate controversy, so people keep watching. If everyone was considerate and courteous to others, whether they agree with them or not, the world would be a far nicer place. See also keyboard warriors.

I've no idea what he said or who JoJo is.
But I did notice that when he went in there were articles in the mainstream gutterpress almost gleeful at what he could do/say and how he's controversial.
I then noticed how there were articles praising him for using some trans/drag blokes chosen pronouns and how respectful he was. Well of course he would respect him, he's a man were my thoughts.
Misogyny is always under the surface with these types.

The Mickey Rourke saga on CBB has really got me quite scared for society.

No idea what the saga is, what was said, what CBB is, who Jojo is.

But the people using "woke snowflakes" will generally be absolute 💯 pillars of society. (not)

“Is it now woke to show basic respect to others differences ? Conversely is it a show of protest against "wokeism" to head back to using slurs because- free country.”

Can’t really answer these, because they are so broad, but what I would say is that there is very much a backlash against the progress in women’s rights and certain men seem to be egging each other on to make it more acceptable to denigrate women, make rape threats against them and so on.

There is certainly a backlash against the #NoDebate aspect of transactivism and women are speaking out on that topic, and those women are also routinely attacked, threatened with rape and murder and shouted over by loud groups of men, but again, it’s the men using slurs here, while the women protest against “wokism” so I guess my answer is that it’s a complex issue and can’t be neatly put in boxes of left or right, good or bad.

The cbb thing has genuinely been a horrible reminder of how these things always go.

Man makes a joke about turning someone straight by tying them up. She tried to shut it down more than once. Which is essentially a rape joke by a more established 70 Yr old to a 21yr old, when she spoke up about it he spoke about evicting "the lesbian", and also made a joke about a homophobic slur. He even says he said it because she annoyed him

Ignoring the context that this is a man who's publicly had to apologise for using the same slur twice before, was creepy to women both on this show and historically, has a history of lots of allegations. Even ignoring that he also made negative comments about the other women eg ones body etc

The immediate response was to talk about his career, how he likes dogs, how it was all just a misunderstanding. Within 24 hours he was back to being the favourite and people proclaiming how they love him

From the second it hit, I knew that the narrative would be spun exactly this way and that jojo would become a public figure of well you can't even say anything these days. I knew that she would be cast as having been so annoying that anything against her would be justified.

Even on a mostly female forum, The cbb thread on here genuinely has someone saying she was asking for it because she "lectured him" and was wearing ridiculous shorts. It went unchecked by anyone

I even predicted that people would forget the rape bit and focus on the free speech bit. Which was completely true, this morning for example release a clip talking about it with the tying up/turning straight comments completely removed

Ultimately there's nothing the world hates more than outspoken young women and turns against them

Interestingly another costar of his spoke out about inappropriate behaviour this week and was slammed with lots of "why are you only talking about it now"

This is exactly why. Because people tell people to speak up but find it really annoying and inconvenient when they do

Jojo didn't start this but will be the one this is held against

I struggle to have sympathy for anyone who chooses to appear on Celebrity Big Brother. Has-beens and wannabes hoping to raise their profile - well, both 'celebrities' involved in this row have succeeded - congratulations.

What does that mean though?

If you go on a low market tv show, then it's okay for their to be televised jokes about raping you? And the public will massively support the joker and not you?

Its the equivalent of a "what were you wearing" kind of argument. What's the line where people become worthy of public support? People will be concerned about it if its on the BBC but not itv?

Jojo has a marmite personality, does that mean anything goes?

Wow.

Peoples masks really do slip on here don't they!

The whole point of Big Brother was to bring together people from different backgrounds and see what happens. Whether what’s said is right or wrong, it’s part of how people learn i.e. through being challenged by others.

I don’t think it’s about people saying what they want.

there’s always a group of people telling other people “you can’t say that”.

for a lot of the population, the people saying “you can’t say that” are the people who support gay, lesbian, trans, etc.

lots of people have got very fed up in particular with being told that you have to call a trans person whatever they want to be called (made up pronouns, etc) and this is what they see as “woke”

and yes, there is a backlash against it because people generally don’t want men in women’s toilets and they see the trans issue as aligned with gay and lesbian issues as “woke”.

Participants must, or ought to know, the sort of audience that type of show attracts, so they shouldn't be surprised at the reactions they get.

Why do people go on that show? To raise their profile and to make money. For that to happen, people have to watch the show. If everyone on the show got on really well and they sat around having cosy conversations and being nice to one another, do you think anyone would watch it?

They know full well what they are getting into and that the show is fuelled by this kind of unpleasantness and controversy.

I think the problem is though that this one young girl will be held accountable for all people's gripes about free speach.

She didn't do anything to instigate the conversation but somehow will be the ones this follows.

She challenged it in the way we hope our daughters do and would encourage people to. when he said he'd turn her straight, she said she doubted it because she was in a happy relationship, when he said he would tie her up, she said she'd tie him up first, when he said he'd vote her out, she told him it was homophobic if it was just due to her sexuality. I'd challenge anyone, let alone a 21 year old in that situation, to respond in a better way in the heat of a moment

The rape bit has been forgotten, the focus is on him calling her a lesbian suddenly

Whilst people debate if shes too outspoken, young, bossy, not famous enough etc for sympathy
..Suddenly she's cast as a killjoy, fake tears, snow flake and he's a hero.

You don't want men in women's toilets so it's fine I and my friends as lesbians get harassed in the street.

Got it.

The moment he made a rape joke about a 21 year old he should have been out immediately. It shouldn't have been made out to be a joke, it was more of a threat. So pleased he finally been thrown out.

He was put in there delbratley for what he would do, now he has done it they are now complaining

Thry knew exactly what would happen and people watch it for the drama that they wanted

Most people don't want to watch a man threatening rape towards a young woman for drama. Thats not the kind of drama they where expecting from big brother.

This has ALWAYS been the issue with the mass-adopting of the word “woke”. It was originally used in the conscious black community to describe becoming aware of the social structures of racism. In 2020, during the lockdowns and the heightened focus on the BLM protests, the term started being adopted (negatively) by people who were averse to the anti-racist movement. Since then, it has crept further and further into the right-wing lingo to belittle anything remotely liberal. We (black people who understood its original usage) have been complaining about the use of the word (for the very reason you have posted about) ever since.

The money must be very good!

Love how a 70 year old man threatens to tie up and rape a young woman and somehow people make it trans people's fault. Brilliant.

Really? What kind of drama were they expecting? An interesting bit of racism perhaps? Antisemitism? Some drunken sexual assault? Or perhaps some good old fashioned ABH?

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/shilpa-shetty-danielle-lloyd-katie-waissel-david-gest-kim-woodburn-b1112076.html

Where exactly is anyone on here blaming trans people for the behaviour of an individual man?

@ToBeOrNotToBee

Here.

It's apparently a legitimised part of a "backlash"

This, I also thought it was very telling that he thinks he can say these awful things to a woman and yet managed to be respectful to Danny and Michael who are also part of the LGBT community. Mickey Rourke is a repugnant character who knows exactly what he's doing and then tries to hide behind "oh but I'm from another generation and been basically a recluse for years so I don't know what you can say any more."

No where does what @octavia64 said blames trans people for what that BB twat said.
Your quote doesn't prove your point.

This is what you said.

"Love how a 70 year old man threatens to tie up and rape a young woman and somehow people make it trans people's fault..."